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[Roy P]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Meanwhile, if you look at our serious lack of depth at RB, interior OL, and a real lack of production and athleticism from the saftey position then LB hardly seems like a position to be targeted in the first round.

We aren't spending a 1st round pick on a RB to be Slaton's relief, according to the coach. Generally speaking, you don't spend a 1st round pick on an interior lineman. Lastly, there really isn't a 1st round quality Safety in this draft. So, that why concentration has been on LB.

We've spent 1st round picks on TJ and Okoye, so I'm sure that there would be much grumbling about doing that again, especially after signing Shaun Cody (unless we trade Travis during the draft).

Having signed a DE to replace Weaver, I'm not sure if it would be a good strategy to draft a 1st round player with the amount of guaranteed money he'd make, to come in on 3rd downs.

The CB situation with Dunta may make a 1st round pick on one possible. However, Jenkins doesn't appear to fit our system and Davis has some issues that need to be looked into. Maybe Darius Butler, but I'm not sure how much of an "impact" he'd have.

It's kind of a logical deduction that LB is the place to go, which makes the Cato June signing a little remarkable.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

We aren't spending a 1st round pick on a RB to be Slaton's relief, according to the coach. Generally speaking, you don't spend a 1st round pick on an interior lineman. Lastly, there really isn't a 1st round quality Safety in this draft. So, that why concentration has been on LB.

We've spent 1st round picks on TJ and Okoye, so I'm sure that there would be much grumbling about doing that again, especially after signing Shaun Cody (unless we trade Travis during the draft).

Having signed a DE to replace Weaver, I'm not sure if it would be a good strategy to draft a 1st round player with the amount of guaranteed money he'd make, to come in on 3rd downs.

The CB situation with Dunta may make a 1st round pick on one possible. However, Jenkins doesn't appear to fit our system and Davis has some issues that need to be looked into. Maybe Darius Butler, but I'm not sure how much of an "impact" he'd have.

It's kind of a logical deduction that LB is the place to go, which makes the Cato June signing a little remarkable.

Well, hopefully that is a bit of misdirection because it sure is foolish to make those kinds of announcements before the draft. Also, if they are going to target a specific position (LB), then they had better be willing and determined to trade down instead a reach for the guy. I like what they did last year with Duane Brown... they sat at their spot hoping someone like Brandon Albert would fall to them, then, instead of reaching for Brown they traded down and took him later. Perhaps it was still a reach, but I don't have a problem going after him after they accumulated some extra picks.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Also, if they are going to target a specific position (LB), then they had better be willing and determined to trade down instead a reach for the guy.

I just hope the Bills don't draft our guy at #11.

[Blitzwood]

IMO, I think the positions on our team that need the most help now are the D-line, O-line, and RB.

We are pretty well stocked at CB/S with players like Barber, Harrison, and Molden jockeying for some PT and our LB corp has recently been stockedpiled through FA. I believe one pick per would suffice, we have so many other needs to address.

If I was Kubiak, I would move T.J and Okam to the practice squad to send a clear message that their time here could be in jeopardy if they don't pick it up. Shaun Cody is a backup, at best. Detroit was happy to see him go.

Also, our O-line has been terrible, regardless of what our offense did. Schaub and Sage were on their backs and getting injured too often to have any real chance of success, and I'm sure part of that stems from a real lack of depth at the RB position, but it(O-line) also could could stand to be bolstered as well in this draft.


28. Peria Jerry DT
One of the best DT available who has a real chance of being there

46. Ziggy Hood DT
Excellent size with a non stop motor. Our D-line would be set for a decade if we could materialize those two picks alone, though very unlikely. (Backup pick-Jarron Gilbert) Any two out of three would be a success to me. We have to start putting pressure on QB's in order to win close games.

53. Rashad Jennings RB
Very strong runner who keeps himself in excellent shape, could be pro-bowl RB(he won't be there in the 3rd)

77. Mike Mickens CB
Impressive playmaker with good instincts that could play CB and FS

112. Zach Follett WILL
Cerebral player, EXPERIENCED, excellent blitzer that will give Bush the OLB to make plays in the backfield

122. T.J. Lang OG/C/OT
Tough, hardworking player, very versatile that fits our ZBS

152. S. Vollmer OT
Intriguing prospect that would provide depth at R or LT

188. Patrick Turner WR/TE
Texans steal a player late in the draft

223. Gantrell Johnson RB
Powerful runner, "bowling ball", downhill runner, sure handed

UFA Phillip Hunt DE
Kubiak really liked this kid when he got a chance to see him practice at Reliant everyday, good against the run

UFA Robert Francois OLB
Insurance for Diles, Adibi, or Bentley

UFA Ryan McKee OT
More depth with good speed for the ZB

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

IMO, I think the positions on our team that need the most help now are the D-line, O-line, and RB.

We are pretty well stocked at CB/S with players like Barber, Harrison, and Molden jockeying for some PT and our LB corp has recently been stockedpiled through FA. I believe one pick per would suffice, we have so many other needs to address.

If I was Kubiak, I would move T.J and Okam to the practice squad to send a clear message that their time here could be in jeopardy if they don't pick it up. Shaun Cody is a backup, at best. Detroit was happy to see him go.

Also, our O-line has been terrible, regardless of what our offense did. Schaub and Sage were on their backs and getting injured too often to have any real chance of success, and I'm sure part of that stems from a real lack of depth at the RB position, but it(O-line) also could could stand to be bolstered as well in this draft.


28. Peria Jerry DT
One of the best DT available who has a real chance of being there

46. Ziggy Hood DT
Excellent size with a non stop motor. Our D-line would be set for a decade if we could materialize those two picks alone, though very unlikely. (Backup pick-Jarron Gilbert) Any two out of three would be a success to me. We have to start putting pressure on QB's in order to win close games.

53. Rashad Jennings RB
Very strong runner who keeps himself in excellent shape, could be pro-bowl RB(he won't be there in the 3rd)

77. Mike Mickens CB
Impressive playmaker with good instincts that could play CB and FS

112. Zach Follett WILL
Cerebral player, EXPERIENCED, excellent blitzer that will give Bush the OLB to make plays in the backfield

122. T.J. Lang OG/C/OT
Tough, hardworking player, very versatile that fits our ZBS

152. S. Vollmer OT
Intriguing prospect that would provide depth at R or LT

188. Patrick Turner WR/TE
Texans steal a player late in the draft

223. Gantrell Johnson RB
Powerful runner, "bowling ball", downhill runner, sure handed

UFA Phillip Hunt DE
Kubiak really liked this kid when he got a chance to see him practice at Reliant everyday, good against the run

UFA Robert Francois OLB
Insurance for Diles, Adibi, or Bentley

UFA Ryan McKee OT
More depth with good speed for the ZB

I rarely would make this argument but in this case I have to:

We would have too much money tied up into one kind of player at one position: Okoye, TJ, PJerry, Ziggy Hood. DT isn't like DE. With a DE, you can move them inside on passing downs and create mismatches to get to the QB. However, the only advantage to all these smallish DTs is the ability to keep them fresh. Even so, they are all vulnerable against the run. So, we'd have 4 guys that are all ideal for passing downs and nobody that is good on the run downs. And, the team will only keep 4-5 DTs on the 53 man roster so all kinds of problems would result from that draft.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

We are pretty well stocked at CB/S with players like Barber, Harrison, and Molden jockeying for some PT and our LB corp has recently been stockedpiled through FA. I believe one pick per would suffice, we have so many other needs to address.

If I was Kubiak, I would move T.J and Okam to the practice squad to send a clear message that their time here could be in jeopardy if they don't pick it up. Shaun Cody is a backup, at best. Detroit was happy to see him go.

Also, our O-line has been terrible, regardless of what our offense did. Schaub and Sage were on their backs and getting injured too often to have any real chance of success, and I'm sure part of that stems from a real lack of depth at the RB position, but it(O-line) also could could stand to be bolstered as well in this draft.


28. Peria Jerry DT
One of the best DT available who has a real chance of being there

46. Ziggy Hood DT
Excellent size with a non stop motor. Our D-line would be set for a decade if we could materialize those two picks alone, though very unlikely. (Backup pick-Jarron Gilbert) Any two out of three would be a success to me. We have to start putting pressure on QB's in order to win close games.

53. Rashad Jennings RB
Very strong runner who keeps himself in excellent shape, could be pro-bowl RB(he won't be there in the 3rd)

77. Mike Mickens CB
Impressive playmaker with good instincts that could play CB and FS

112. Zach Follett WILL
Cerebral player, EXPERIENCED, excellent blitzer that will give Bush the OLB to make plays in the backfield

122. T.J. Lang OG/C/OT
Tough, hardworking player, very versatile that fits our ZBS

152. S. Vollmer OT
Intriguing prospect that would provide depth at R or LT

188. Patrick Turner WR/TE
Texans steal a player late in the draft

223. Gantrell Johnson RB
Powerful runner, "bowling ball", downhill runner, sure handed

UFA Phillip Hunt DE
Kubiak really liked this kid when he got a chance to see him practice at Reliant everyday, good against the run

UFA Robert Francois OLB
Insurance for Diles, Adibi, or Bentley

UFA Ryan McKee OT
More depth with good speed for the ZB

You say that we are pretty well stocked at S/CB and then suggest that we draft 2 more 3-Technique DTs? One pick at DT, I could see for rotational purposes. Two picks if you have given up on Travis Johnson and want to trade or cut him (sending him to the PS would be like cutting him). However, I wouldn't suggest using our two top picks to garner two more DTs. Shaun Cody was more productive than the guys we suited up if you take a look at tackles per play and he may be more of a force this season than Ziggy Hood.

Our O-Line has been terrible in the past. It wasn't terrible last season. We don't very good production from Slaton and the yards per game that our QBs combined for last season with a terrible O-Line. I'm not saying that they were dominant by any stretch, but they were at least average. While it would be nice to be able to convert more 3rd downs, the worst problem the offense had was with fumbles and interceptions and the blame for those can be spread further than just the O-Line.

With all of that "criticism" I don't think your draft is a bad one. I could understand getting Jerry in the 1st, but would go with a play making S instead of Ziggy (perhaps his teammate William Moore).

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I rarely would make this argument but in this case I have to:

We would have too much money tied up into one kind of player at one position: Okoye, TJ, PJerry, Ziggy Hood. DT isn't like DE. With a DE, you can move them inside on passing downs and create mismatches to get to the QB. However, the only advantage to all these smallish DTs is the ability to keep them fresh. Even so, they are all vulnerable against the run. So, we'd have 4 guys that are all ideal for passing downs and nobody that is good on the run downs. And, the team will only keep 4-5 DTs on the 53 man roster so all kinds of problems would result from that draft.

If I'm not mistaken, TJ is already questionable to remain on the team, much less his starting job, and John McClain recently wrote an article on chron.com about Okoye really having to step it up this year, so to say we don't want to address this problem because we already have so much money tied up really doesn't make sense if we want to reach the playoffs, IMO. If our D-line is not cutting it, then we need to get some players that can collapse the pocket and penetrate. If we have tackles that can make plays in the backfield, then obviously teams are gonna have a hard time running against us. It all starts on the line with our defense, if we don't have good DT's, it doesn't matter who plays LB.

Originally Posted by Roy P

You say that we are pretty well stocked at S/CB and then suggest that we draft 2 more 3-Technique DTs? One pick at DT, I could see for rotational purposes. Two picks if you have given up on Travis Johnson and want to trade or cut him (sending him to the PS would be like cutting him). However, I wouldn't suggest using our two top picks to garner two more DTs. Shaun Cody was more productive than the guys we suited up if you take a look at tackles per play and he may be more of a force this season than Ziggy Hood.

With all of that "criticism" I don't think your draft is a bad one. I could understand getting Jerry in the 1st, but would go with a play making S instead of Ziggy (perhaps his teammate William Moore).

If Cody turns out to be better than expected, that will be great, but I didn't see Detroit putting up much of a fuss, especially for what we signed him for, and the Lions' forums were happy to see him go. And IMO, RG and C could use some help. I just don't feel S is such a need given our depth there compared to DT or OL. I feel a quality DB could be had in the 4th or 5th rounds where a quality DT cannot.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

If I was Kubiak, I would move T.J and Okam to the practice squad to send a clear message that their time here could be in jeopardy if they don't pick it up.

And if I were Rick Smith, I would inform you that Travis has no practice squad eligibility. If you don't want him, you either cut or trade him.

If I understand the rules correctly, I don't think Okam has lost his practice squad eligibility. He was active for six games last year and listed as inactive for the other ten, which would easily constitue an accrued season. But since he was active in fewer than nine games in his only accrued season, he should still be eligible.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Keith

And if I were Rick Smith, I would inform you that Travis has no practice squad eligibility. If you don't want him, you either cut or trade him.

If I understand the rules correctly, I don't think Okam has lost his practice squad eligibility. He was active for six games last year and listed as inactive for the other ten, which would easily constitue an accrued season. But since he was active in fewer than nine games in his only accrued season, he should still be eligible.

Good job "Rick". Cut him.

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

28. Peria Jerry DT
One of the best DT available who has a real chance of being there

I don't like the fact that Peria Jerry will be 25 years old before the season starts.

[idymoe]

New CMD today, 4/8/09, and I haven't done one in awhile, and gosh-darn it, they're just too much fun.

1. Clay Matthews. I'm assuming that since it's been denied and the original rumor un-substantiated, that there was no positive for steriods.

2. Darius Butler. I've come to believe he is the best overall CB in the draft.

3. Rashad Jennings. Big and pretty fast.

4. Michael Hamlin. Good call DrafTek.

4. Zack Follett. I know I've got Matthews, but I'm really surprised he's available here. Very good blitzer. Has played inside and should be able to play all 3 positions. Also like Tyronne Greene and Brandon Williams.

5. Sebastian Vollmer. I really want this guy. Watch his Shrine Game working against Sidbury.

6. Roy Miller. DrafTek actually has him available at our pick in the 7th round, but I wouldn't want to take the chance.

7. Ian Johnson or Devin Moore. This version of CMD has neither drafted, while earlier versions have had both going as high as the 6th, I believe. I think both will probably be drafted. I know more about Johnson. Moore has the elite speed.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

New CMD today, 4/8/09.

1. Clay Matthews. I'm assuming that since it's been denied and the original rumor un-substantiated, that there was no positive for steriods.

2. Darius Butler. I've come to believe he is the best overall CB in the draft.

3. Rashad Jennings. Big and pretty fast.

4. Michael Hamlin. Good call DrafTek.

4. Zack Follett. I know I've got Matthews, but I'm really surprised he's available here. Very good blitzer. Has played inside and should be able to play all 3 positions. Also like Tyronne Greene and Brandon Williams.

5. Sebastian Vollmer. I really want this guy. Watch his Shrine Game working against Sidbury.

6. Roy Miller. DrafTek actually has him available at our pick in the 7th round, but I wouldn't want to take the chance.

7. Ian Johnson or Devin Moore. This version of CMD has neither drafted, while earlier versions have had both going as high as the 6th, I believe. I think both will probably be drafted. I know more about Johnson. Moore has the elite speed.

1. LB Clay Matthews USC
- I now have him 3rd overall on my draft board.

2. SS William Moore Missouri
- Still looking for our Bob Sanders. (I can't believe that the Mock has Darius Butler available in the 2nd round. Most sites have him moving up in the 1st).

3. CB Asher Allen Georgia
- This is where I'm probably going to catch some flack. I'm souring on Dunta Robinson's situation and Jacoby Jones' attitude, so I get rid of two birds with one stone. As some of you know, I'm a big Bulldogs fan and try to draft one whenever possible. I'm not a big fan of late round CBs chances of making the roster compared to late round RBs. However, I would understand the Jennings pick even if I wouldn't make it.

4. DE Cody Brown Connecticut
- My favorite "pass-rushing" specialist in the draft and I got him! This is the round that I feel comfortable picking a guy who is only going to play on passing situations. He's 'small' at 6' 2" & 244lbs and he isn't Raheem Brock quick, but he gets after the QB.

4. FS Chris Clemons Clemson
- This looks like a reach on most mock drafts, but I don't care. I want a guy who can roam and break up those deep passes. The only way CBs feel comfortable to make a play on a ball is if they KNOW that they have help over the top. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/502303
"Overshadowed throughout his career by teammate Michael Hamlin, Clemons' consistency in coverage might actually make him the safer NFL prospect." Did I mention he ran a 4.3???

5. RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
- You didn't think that I forgot about Slaton, did you? We need and want a pile-pusher, and that's what this guy is. He won't dance behind the LOS, he's going to make his cut and go.

6. DT Roy Miller Texas
- Yeah, I'm not waiting until the 7th round either.

7. RB Ian Johnson Boise State
- Another quick guy in case Slaton gets hurt.

[idymoe]

I certainly agree with your dis-belief of Butler being there in the 2nd. And, yes, what the flack is up with that 3rd round pick? I'm real curious to see what DrafTek's mock will look like in two weeks. We should have a competition or something based on it.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

what the flack is up with that 3rd round pick?

Let me just expand a little bit. Asher not only has good cover skills which is a must for a CB, but he also brings some tackling ability. If we can't reach a resolution with Dunta, then we are going to have to replace his ability to make tackles from the CB position. Nothing aggravates me more than a CB who believes that if his WR responsibility doesn't have the ball thrown in his direction, then his job is complete. I like having 11 players on defense who can bring down a ball carrier, not 9 or 8.

Secondly, he brings something to Special Teams in terms of return skills. He has good vision and gets up the field to gain positive yardage.