DraftTek Mock

[idymoe]

We all get do-overs after the combine, right? I know Maclin is the better prospect, I just don't like taking a wr that high. If the draft went the way Draftek predicts up til pick 15, then I would really like to see a trade down. It would be nice to get Maybin further down, plus an extra pick.

I don't really want to take a running back higher than the 3rd round either. We got a steal in Slaton in the 3rd. I don't think any rb is going to put his butt on the bench. Unless Slaton gets a long term injury, there's no way a new rb could be as productive as Slaton last year. Paying Slaton less than a guy who won't be as productive as he was last year doesn't seem like a good move.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

I don't really want to take a running back higher than the 3rd round either. We got a steal in Slaton in the 3rd. I don't think any rb is going to put his butt on the bench. Unless Slaton gets a long term injury, there's no way a new rb could be as productive as Slaton last year. Paying Slaton less than a guy who won't be as productive as he was last year doesn't seem like a good move.

Felix Jones/Marion Barber
Chris Johnson/LenDale White
Rashard Mendenhall/Willie Parker
Jonathan Stewart/DeAngelo Williams

These are just four off the top of my head from last year's draft. Jones and Mendenhall got hurt, but the Titans and Panthers did pretty well with 2 RBs.

I'm not saying that is my preferred strategy, but if the players line up on draft day so that the BPA is a RB, Steve Slaton wouldn't preclude me from drafting one early on. If that 5' 9" 203lbs fella gets hurt and we have to rely upon Ryan Moats or Gartrell Johnson, I won't be pre-purchasing my Texans playoff tickets.

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The DraftTek mock had no RBs being drafted after us in the 3rd round. Rashard Jennings went early in the 3rd. The next RB to be selected is Andre Brown in the 4th at #121, so we could have drafted him at #108. Mayock says he should be a better Pro than a college player because he had 2 foot surgeries that prevented him from playing up to his potential.

[painekiller]

If the draft where to fall this way, I would be willing to trade out of the 1st round. I know this is not going to be a popular move, but it's one I am willing to do with this board.

So I am trading my #15 to NE for their #47 and #58 this year and their #1 next season. Why because there is not a single player I want to pay 1st round money to available when we select, and NE 1st round pick this year is not much better to me.

46 Donald Brown RBF Connecticut
47 Paul Kruger DE43 Utah
58 Tyrone McKenzie OLB43 South Florida
77 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama
108 Cary Harris CB USC
144 Lawrence Sidbury Jr. DE43 Richmond
175 Stephen McGee QB Texas A&M
206 Gartrell Johnson RBF Colorado State

And remember I get a 1st in 2010 from the Pats, someone like Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College might be the guy.

It's a something different.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I would be willing to trade out of the 1st round.

So I am trading my #15 to NE for their #47 and #58 this year and their #1 next season.

46 Donald Brown RBF Connecticut
47 Paul Kruger DE43 Utah
58 Tyrone McKenzie OLB43 South Florida
77 Rashad Johnson FS Alabama

And remember I get a 1st in 2010 from the Pats, someone like Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College might be the guy.

That sounds pretty good to me. Who do you think NE wants at #15?

Getting those first 4 guys would be pretty good. Having NE's 1st in next year's draft might be something to use to trade up for Taylor Mays.

108 DT Vance Walker
144 OLB Victor Butler
175 QB John Parker Wilson
206 OL Robert Brewster

That might be a way I'd like the back end of the draft to look. McKenzie would be WILL and Butler the SAM. Brewster could be the OT that slides into the RG slot.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

That sounds pretty good to me. Who do you think NE wants at #15?

Why not the big DE from LSU? He would be the perfect 3-4 DE. Richard Seymour is not a spring chicken anymore.

Heck maybe they want Michael Johnson.

If I am going to play....

[idymoe]

Drafttek has revised their mock, so here's a new Texans draft by GM Idymoe.

1. Matt Stafford
2. Kruger
3. Levitre
4. Rashad Johnson
5. Victor Butler
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson


I don't think there is any chance that Stafford is there at 15, but if he is, I think take him or trade down with him.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

Texans draft by GM Idymoe.

1. Matt Stafford



I don't think there is any chance that Stafford is there at 15, but if he is, I think take him or trade down with him.

That is a bold move.

[Nconroe]

Yeah, then we could trade both Schaub and Rosenfels for more draft picks. looking a lot better in 09 now.

[idymoe]

Originally Posted by Roy P

That is a bold move.

It's easy to be bold behind a keyboard.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

Drafttek has revised their mock, so here's a new Texans draft by GM Idymoe.

1. Matt Stafford
2. Kruger
3. Levitre
4. Rashad Johnson
5. Victor Butler
6. Devin Moore
7. Gartrell Johnson.

1. WR Jeremy Maclin
2. DE Paul Kruger
3. OLB Tyrone McKenzie
4. FS Rashad Johnson
5. QB John Parker Wilson
6. DT Darryl Richard
7. OG Greg Isdaner

FAs. RB P.J. Hill & Marlon Lucky
DE Will Davis, Stryker Sulak, Pierre Walters
DT Myron Pryor

Edited to reflect Richard in the 6th round.

[idymoe]

I would have taken Peerman, too, in the 6th, but Draftek had San Diego taking him in the 5th.

I wish I could find some footage on Devin Moore. The only thing I can find is a 90+ yd kickoff return for a td.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I would be willing to trade out of the 1st round.

Why because there is not a single player I want to pay 1st round money to available when we select.

I'm really trying to figure out a way to accrue some 3rd round picks in this draft.

S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76

These are some of the names that I think will be available in the 3rd who can be good players in the NFL. I'm not sure how many Pro-Bowls they will be going to, but I'm pretty sure that they could help our roster.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

I just don't like taking a wr that high.

I don't really want to take a running back higher than the 3rd round either.

Taking into considerations only the "needs" of the team, LB, FS, DE, DL, G/C, and RB later than 3rd round, I scrubbed my Draftboard. I took out all of the "fluff" in terms of positions that aren't seen as needs today. Generally, this is the reason GMs get fired, but for the sake of argument, I did it anyway. This is how that turned out....

1. DE/OLB Aaron Maybin
2. DE Paul Kruger
3. FS Rashad Johnson
4. RB James Davis
5. DT Corvey Irvin
6. OLB Lee Robinson
7. DT Darryl Richard

After taking Maybin in the 1st and having Kruger available in the 2nd, I figured maybe this is the guy I have my experiment with. The Giants tried Matthias Kiwanuka at SAM and DE, so I might give Maybin a shot. Kruger would then play all three downs and Mario would be moved over to DT on passing downs and nickle situations. That would give me a line of Kruger, Mario, Okoye, Maybin.

Anyway, Johnson gives me a Centerfielder that I've wanted since McCree left. Davis isn't a "big" back, but is insurance for Slaton and helps share the workload. Irvin is the same in the 5th round.

Interestingly, I drafted Lee Robinson a whole round earlier this time without gaining a backup QB. The new addition is Darryl Richard. That got me to thinking about Michael Johnson again. The Ga Tech DL had Vance Walker and Darryl Richard in the middle, which should have boosted MJ's production.

[jppaul]

1. Micheal Johnson
2. Darry Beckwith or Victor Harris
3. Rashad Johnson
4. Brandon Tate
5. Pat White
6. Graham Cano
7. Gartrell Johnson

[idymoe]

I thought Andre Brown looked pretty solid in the Senior Bowl. Like any player, he needs to be lucky and stay away from injuries.

I was hoping to get more flack or comment from my Pat White pimping.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by idymoe

I thought Andre Brown looked pretty solid in the Senior Bowl. Like any player, he needs to be lucky and stay away from injuries.

I was hoping to get more flack or comment from my Pat White pimping.

I like your Pat White idea, my problem is I do not see Kubiak as the type to be an innovator. Maybe young Shanny is. To get the most out of White you will need a coach who is outside the box.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

I was hoping to get more flack or comment from my Pat White pimping.

The Bucs have a guy named Josh Johnson. I thought about bringing him in last year.

The Texans probably won't be taking that risk (White) as a QB. We haven't seen what kind of hands or route running White could have as a slot WR. So basically, he's a project that Kubiak doesn't have time for to have come to fruition.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Taking into considerations only the "needs" of the team, LB, FS, DE, DL, G/C, and RB later than 3rd round,

Roy sorry to grab your post to quote, but what is the issue with everyone thinking we are set at RB? As Roy pointed out in another post, Slaton is 5'10 203. And the style of running he did for us last season points to a guy who will get hit a lot.

IMO we need to add at least 2 RBs in the draft, and possibly an UDFA for the PS. I want 3 RBs on the opening day roster that can all carry the ball. The main problem with my plan is the blitz pickups, but Slaton showed us last year a rookie can pick it up.

The RB position is a position of needed depth for every team in the NFL. The pounding is to great for any one guy to be the man 16 weeks of the season.

You add a stud to Slaton and then a specialty back (short yardage guy 3rd down type) or two later in the draft and then this team will finally have the type of backfield it has needed since day one.

Remember what happened in Denver last season, they lost 6 RBs and the HC was fired. You can never have enough RBs.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Roy sorry to grab your post to quote, but what is the issue with everyone thinking we are set at RB? As Roy pointed out in another post, Slaton is 5'10 203.

Dude,
I think you and I are on the same Donald Brown bandwagon. If we draft LeSean McCoy in the 1st round, I won't be too upset if Everette Brown and Aaron Curry are off the board. Brown, Greene, or possibly Jennings in the 2nd round would not get my feathers ruffled either. On the other hand, if we only come out of the draft/UDFAs with Gartrell Johnson added to the roster, I'll be a bit worried.

There may be some short yardage guys that have a little mass (larger than 215lbs) who could be added later on. However, I think the team could utilize another RB with some speed (who may be lighter than 215lbs). As you know, Jerious Norwood is my prototype #2 RB (or should I say 1b). A guy like Shonn Greene (if he were younger he'd be ranked higher) would be a "workhorse" that would allow Slaton to be the 3rd down back he was drafted to be.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Dude,
I think you and I are on the same Donald Brown bandwagon. If we draft LeSean McCoy in the 1st round, I won't be too upset if Everette Brown and Aaron Curry are off the board. Brown, Greene, or possibly Jennings in the 2nd round would not get my feathers ruffled either. On the other hand, if we only come out of the draft/UDFAs with Gartrell Johnson added to the roster, I'll be a bit worried.

There may be some short yardage guys that have a little mass (larger than 215lbs) who could be added later on. However, I think the team could utilize another RB with some speed (who may be lighter than 215lbs). As you know, Jerious Norwood is my prototype #2 RB (or should I say 1b). A guy like Shonn Greene (if he were younger he'd be ranked higher) would be a "workhorse" that would allow Slaton to be the 3rd down back he was drafted to be.

Heck I have been saying draft Brown in the 1st, so you know I like him. Jennings is the only other RB I like for day one.

You and I are on the same page with Greene, he is a 25 year old playing against college kids he should be tearing up. I do not see him running very well.

The kid from Pitt dances to much for me, so I do not see Kubiak jumping for him.


There are some very good late round RBs, and BTW as a UDFA to keep an eye out for is Chris Ogbonnaya, 6-0, 225, Texas. He will play anywhere the coach wants him to and should be a pretty good special teamer.