My Guys

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

No disagreement here. Which is why he has come off my board. I'm not looking to trade down to get him nor would I trade up to get him. It is more a matter of where we are on the draft slots and where I see him coming off the board.

[Nconroe]

Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

Well, since I don't run the Texans, it doesn't really matter. This is my list to use on draft day so I can compare what I would have done compared to the Texans.

I don't have scouts all over the country and millions of dollars invested in research. Just a couple of web sites and my own peepers to determine who I'd want and when. After the draft, I can go back to this list and say "I told you so" when a guy I wanted outperforms the guy the Texans drafted.

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans. My point is to show that I can do more with less. There are plenty of websites that rank every college player. What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

Undoubtedly, the Texans will most likely draft some players who are not My Guys. That's when I feel vindicated in complaining. Sometimes, they do pick one of my guys - Antwaun Molden, and I'm pleasantly surprised. I feel especially biased in hoping those players get on the field and make contributions.

So, if Unger just happens to be available at #45 and I draft William Moore instead, I think I can live with that. However, I seriously doubt that Unger lasts that long, so it's kind of a moot point.

[Roy P]

A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ? I mean I obviously know you like "my guys", but is this list based on BPA for the whole Board or what the Texans needs are or a projection/mock of how the Draft will shake-out or some combo of these elements ? Or something else ?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ?

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

[idymoe]

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin

2. Paul Kruger

3. Chip Vaughn

4a. Lawrence Sidbury

4b. A.Q. Shipley

5. Kory Irvin

6. Ian Johnson

7. Stephen Hodge

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any?

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans.

What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by Roy P

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

I checked out that cite and I liked it. Two quotes I especially liked:

"The best way to stop today’s pass-friendly NFL offenses is to put the quarterback on his back."

"... the name of the game for the defense is rushing the quarterback. The offense typically wins if the quarterback has time to throw and protecting the blindside is crucial."

One thing I disagree with him about, though, is his listing of Bomar as a value pick. It appears to me that he hasn't actually seen Bomar play any games. Bomar looks great on paper or even in practuce, but put eleven defensive players in front of him and he quickly melts down. If he ever becomes a solid NFL starter I will be greatly surprised.

[Roy P]

Okay, this is the last board for March and I've added some CB's. I really like Clay Matthews, but I just can't pull the trigger if Jeremy Maclin is on the board. If Maclin and my other 1st round picks are available, I'm looking to trade down as far as #20 and take the BPA.

1st round talent
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
10 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40

2nd round
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
12 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
13 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
14 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
15 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
17 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
18 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
19 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77

3rd round
20 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 OT Jamon Meredith South Carolina 6' 5" 304 4.99
24 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
25 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
28 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
29 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
30 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
31 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
32 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
33 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63

4th round
34 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
35 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
36 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
37 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
38 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 195 4.47
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
40 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
41 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
42 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
43 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
44 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96

5th round
45 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
46 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
47 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
48 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76

6th round
49 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
50 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
51 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
52 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35

7th round
53 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
54 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
55 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
56 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
57 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
58 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
59 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
62 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78

[jppaul]

After looking around I am not so sure that Everrette isn't around with the 15th pick.