Texans Training Camp

[Arky]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W. Va -- Texans receiver Will Fuller broke his collarbone during Wednesday's practice.Fuller, the team's first-round draft pick in 2016, went up to catch a pass, came down and hit the ground hard.

He will undergo surgery and is out for 2-3 months.

Fuller was projected to start opposite DeAndre Hopkins.

Jaelen Strong and Braxton Miller would likely get most of Hopkins' time.http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/a...d=bncollection

Man. So, probably out about half the season....

Wendall Williams, come on down!

[chuck]

What a useless pick this guy is turning out to be.

[Nconroe]

It seemed Fuller was having a good training camp and had a few good receptions Wed. right before this happened.

There is a lot of competition still available at WR.

Just 6 more days till first preseason game at Carolina so we get to finally see the guys running around.

[Big Texas]

IMO, this was the worst thing that could happen to Fuller.

I believe the dropped passes thing was a mental thing. Now add on a significant injury in his second season. He could now really be facing a true downward spiral.

I hope he continues to push himself. I wish we had a vet who could help him through this. I don't consider DHop that kind of vet. But who knows time will tell.

[Nconroe]

What teams likely to improve/ decline lengthy discussion.

This guy thinks Texans declining due to funny math.

What do you guys think.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...an-expectation

[HPF Bob]

If the Texans "had to take the hit", wide receiver was probably a good spot for it. We still have Hopkins, Strong and Miller and just need to find a few pass catchers lurking in training camp.

I suspect the Texans are going to be more of a running team this year as they beef up the OL, split time between Miller, Freeman and Hunt - possibly going to more 2-TE fronts as a way of protecting Savage and Watson as they learn the position. The less they need to depend on their QBs by giving them manageable third down situations, the easier it will be for the offense to sustain drives.

Of course, they're hiding in Hillbillyworld now so this is all speculation on my part but it makes sense.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

What teams likely to improve/ decline lengthy discussion.

This guy thinks Texans declining due to funny math.

What do you guys think.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...an-expectation

Eh, it's Bill Barnwell. He was a Football Outsiders guy for a while. Note how many times he points to DVOA in the article like it's the be all, end all. I'm really not a fan of Football Outsiders and their whole DVOA/computed power rankings format. It's just stylized stats and they actually make money off of it. I'll take the raw numbers any day over snake oil...

[HPF Bob]

Well, since ESPN dumped actual NFL reporters like John Clayton and Ed Werder in a salary purge, of course they will replace actual reporting with guys who just want to massage data to say whatever they want to say. It's cheaper to blow numbers out their asses than do some actual x's-and-o's analysis.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Eh, it's Bill Barnwell. He was a Football Outsiders guy for a while. Note how many times he points to DVOA in the article like it's the be all, end all. I'm really not a fan of Football Outsiders and their whole DVOA/computed power rankings format. It's just stylized stats and they actually make money off of it. I'll take the raw numbers any day over snake oil...

Barnwell is pretty good but he bases 100% of his team analysis on the idea that everything regresses to the mean. So everyone who was good last year is bound to fall back and everyone who was bad is bound to get better. I think it's why he's mostly useless on the preseason stuff. I think he's ok when he examines matchups or offense vs defense using DVOA (he's a one trick pony and the one trick is DVOA).