Cause I'm Bored A : Pre All Star Games Mock

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Time for a new mock:

22 Vernon Butler DT Louisiana Tech Sr 6-4 325
52 Kenneth Dixon RB Louisiana Tech Sr 5-10 215
85 Dak Prescott QB Mississippi State rSr 6-2 226
116 Cole Toner OT Harvard Sr 6-5 305
146 Jayron Kearse SS Clemson Jr 6-4 220
154 Graham Glasgow OG Michigan rSr 6-6 306
177 Temarrick Hemingway TE South Carolina State rSr 6-5 245

Butler is athletic and large, takes advantage of Wilfork to teach him the ropes.
Dixon is a versatile back that can run between the tackles or split out and run routes.
Prescott is a project that has leadership skills and has become a solid passer.
Toner had a solid Senior Bowl, and showing the skills to stonewall guys from the big schools.
Kearse brings the size for the SS position, is also a ball hawk.
Glasgow can play center or guard, well coached in college.
Hemingway is a big bodied split out TE.

[Roy P]

I like it. No real surprise, we often like the same type of players, PK. It's still early, but do you like Vernon Butler more than Jarran Reed or do you believe that Reed is off the board by #22? I am also a fan of Kearse and am eager to compare his measurables to Miles Killebrew

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I like it. No real surprise, we often like the same type of players, PK. It's still early, but do you like Vernon Butler more than Jarran Reed or do you believe that Reed is off the board by #22? I am also a fan of Kearse and am eager to compare his measurables to Miles Killebrew

Yes we do often agree on players, you appear to be the more analytical of us two. I like to see guys in one on one drills and such, I'm not so into the combine numbers they put up. But I do look at measurables.

As for Reed v Butler. I used the cbssports.com rating of the players, and I try not to grab players after their slotting. CBS has Reed as #21, so in my mock he would be gone. But I am not sure which guy I would rank ahead of the other all things being equal. Butler looks more fluid and does not move like a 325lb guy. Granted Reed's highlights are against guys more skilled than Butler has played. I would love to be able to go back and watch the Senior Bowl Practices again.

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Offensive Draft (Different names to watch)

22 Corey Coleman WR Baylor rJr 5-10 190
52 Nick Martin C Notre Dame rSr 6-4 296 2-3
85 Tyler Higbee TE Western Kentucky rSr 6-5 233
116 Cardale Jones QB Ohio State rJr 6-5 250
146 Aaron Green RB TCU rSr 5-11 203
154 Tom Hackett P Utah Sr 5-11 195
177 Ka'imi Fairbairn K UCLA Sr 6-0 183

Defensive Draft ( new names to watch)

22 Austin Johnson DT Penn State rJr 6-4 323
52 Carl Nassib DE Penn State rSr 6-7 273
85 Scooby Wright III ILB Arizona Jr 6-0 246
116 Cyrus Jones CB Alabama Sr 5-10 196
146 Hassan Ridgeway DT Texas rJr 6-3 320
154 Tyvis Powell FS Ohio State rJr 6-3 209
177 Anthony Zettel DE Penn State rSr 6-4 273

Just some names to watch, that may or may not be on your radars.

BTW if Nassib can play 3-4DE and replace Crick, the Front 7 would clobber other teams OLs. Watt - Wilfork/Johnson - Nassib with Merercilus - McKinney - Cushing - Clowney

[Roy P]

22 OL Jack Conklin
52 WR Pharoh Cooper
85 S Miles Killebrew
116 QB Dak Prescott
146 TE Henry Krieger Coble
154 RB Aaron Green
177 OL Willie Beavers

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Originally Posted by Roy P

22 OL Jack Conklin
52 WR Pharoh Cooper
85 S Miles Killebrew
116 QB Dak Prescott
146 TE Henry Krieger Coble
154 RB Aaron Green
177 OL Willie Beavers

Really on Conklin? Please explain your thoughts on him? Are you looking OT as insurance? (Which might not be a bad move, but you have a lot of cap $ committed to OT already)

Cooper can return punts and has size. (I don't like how he carries the ball like a bread loaf away from his body).

Miles Killebrew is a solid thumper at SS.

Are you really willing to wait until the 4th for Prescott?

Henry Krieger Coble video This coaching staff does like them some boys from Iowa.

We both have Green. My question is can he return punts and can he also play some in the slot? He will be a matchup problem with LBs not being able to cover him.

Beavers looks like a solid raw LT prospect.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Really on Conklin? Please explain your thoughts on him? Are you looking OT as insurance? (Which might not be a bad move, but you have a lot of cap $ committed to OT already)

Cooper can return punts and has size. (I don't like how he carries the ball like a bread loaf away from his body).

Miles Killebrew is a solid thumper at SS.

Are you really willing to wait until the 4th for Prescott?

Henry Krieger Coble video This coaching staff does like them some boys from Iowa.

We both have Green. My question is can he return punts and can he also play some in the slot? He will be a matchup problem with LBs not being able to cover him.

Beavers looks like a solid raw LT prospect.

I was looking at BPA best case scenarios. I really want TE Hunter Henry in the 1st round, but wanted to go a different way with this mock. I'm scared of the injury Duane Brown has to his quad. The O-line is horrible without Brown in the lineup, so I figured Conklin was good value at #22 and could start RT on day #1 or provide excellent insurance for Duane Brown down the road (later if not sooner). I drafted Beavers late because Mke Mayock has him ranked as his 5th best Tackle and there the guy was still on the board.

Pharoh Cooper is a guy I have heard a lot of buzz about. He would complement Hopkins and Strong while providing Special Teams ability. I am eager to see comparisons with Sterling Shepard of Oklahoma who is currently ranked lower.

Killebrew is similar to Kearse in my opinion but again currently ranked higher. A thumper who has some ball skills and the size to match athletic TEs. Could also be a Gunner on kicks.

I would be sweating bullets to wait for Dak until the 4th round. But, Bryce Petty was a 4th round pick last year and I loved him coming out. If I missed on Prescott, I would have gone Jacoby Brissett or Kevin Hogan later.

Aaron Green is elusive and quick. He reminds me of Reggie Bush, so I would want to pair him with another RB to split carries. Kenyan Drake is the other RB I like to fit this role, but Drake is ranked higher and not as good of a bargain. I beleive Green could be like Andre Ellington or Gio Bernard.

Krieger Coble was the bargain TE I grabbed since I didn't get Henry. I also like Vannett from Ohio State.

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Originally Posted by painekiller

Time for a new mock:

22 Vernon Butler DT Louisiana Tech Sr 6-4 325
52 Kenneth Dixon RB Louisiana Tech Sr 5-10 215
85 Dak Prescott QB Mississippi State rSr 6-2 226
116 Cole Toner OT Harvard Sr 6-5 305
146 Jayron Kearse SS Clemson Jr 6-4 220
154 Graham Glasgow OG Michigan rSr 6-6 306
177 Temarrick Hemingway TE South Carolina State rSr 6-5 245

I wanted to look at where some of these guys are ranked on a few different sites.

Vernon Butler is ranked : CBS Sports - 33; Walter - 15; Draft Tek - 105
Kenneth Dixon is ranked: CBS Sports - 75; Walter - 71; Draft Tek - 82
Dak Prescott is ranked: CBS Sports - 115; Walter - 115; Draft Tek - 110
Cole Toner is ranked: CBS Sports - 125; Walter - not rated; Draft Tek - 136
Jayron Kearse is ranked: CBS Sports - 152; Walter - 79; Draft Tek - 45

So a lot of different views for the guys at the top. And that is what the NFL Draft will be like, only one team has to have the guy you have targeted in the 5th round ranked 45th overall and you loose him.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

So a lot of different views for the guys at the top. And that is what the NFL Draft will be like, only one team has to have the guy you have targeted in the 5th round ranked 45th overall and you loose him.

That's why I find it a waste of time to rank all 250 players and only focus on My Guys. My draft board has enough players to target in each round that will fit into a system and fill roles on the roster. The trick is trying to figure out how to maximize the draft class and getting the positions you want filled with the best undervalued players without the need of having to reach for your guy.

Dak Prescott being ranked #110 is amazing to me. Perhaps it's because he is not 6'5" or because he played in Tim Tebow's offense. Not really sure, but I would love to get him in the 4th round. The question becomes do I risk waiting that long and potentially missing out on him. My fallback plan would then become Jacoby Brissett. However, he could come off the board by the time I got to pick again and if I was targeting him in the 5th would that be a reach? Worse, what if I panicked because Prescott was gone and I traded up for Brissett and missed out on Kenyan Drake or Jayron Kearse.

This kind of "what if" scenarios makes me want to pull the trigger on Dak in the 2nd round so I make sure I get my QB and keep as many draft picks as possible.

I still have regrets that we were waiting for Jimmy Garoppolo to fall to the 3rd round.

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If I am going Offensive heavy in this draft, then I might be looking a little bit harder at this guy.

Corey Coleman: The 5-11 WR from Baylor is in the 4.3 range, and he can stop and start, making him a possible PR guy also. Watch the video

[Roy P]

So, last night I decided to perform my 1st mock draft utilizing Fanspeak On The Clock this year. On my first attempt I selected the following players before my phone locked up:
1st round - QB Carson Wentz
2nd round - ILB Jaylon Smith
3rd round - RB Jordan Howard
4th round - SS Miles Killebrew
Then I waited for the 5th round to load, but eventually decided to just start over. So, on my 2nd attempt I was able to choose the following:
1st round - NT Jarran Reed
2nd round - TE Hunter Henry
3rd round - RB Devontae Booker
4th round - SS Miles Killebrew
5th round - DE Matt Ioannidis
6th round - QB Kevin Hogan
7th round - RB Kenyan Drake

I have to admit that I would be quite pleased with that draft if it played out that way.

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So i played with Fanspeak ( thanks Roy, you've given me a new obsession)

29: R1P29 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
52: R2P21 WR JOSH DOCTSON TCU
85: R3P22 TE HUNTER HENRY ARKANSAS
93: R3P30 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
120: R4P21 C MAX TUERK USC
129: R4P30 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO ST
159: R5P20 DT HASSAN RIDGEWAY TEXAS
166: R5P27 RB JONATHAN WILLIAMS ARKANSAS
167: R5P28 K ROBERT AGUAYO FLORIDA ST
198: R6P20 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE

TRADES TRADE PARTNER:
ARIZONA CARDINALS Get:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22

Texans RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 29
ROUND: 3 PICK: 30
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30
ROUND: 5 PICK: 28

What do you guys think of this one? I would love this outcome.

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another pre-combine fanspeak mock

28: R1P28 QB PAXTON LYNCH MEMPHIS
61: R2P30 WR WILL FULLER NOTRE DAME
85: R3P22 RB KENNETH DIXON LOUISIANA TECH
91: R3P28 C RYAN KELLY ALABAMA
120: R4P21 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE
127: R4P28 G GRAHAM GLASGOW MICHIGAN
129: R4P30 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE
159: R5P20 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN KENTUCKY
166: R5P27 DT MATT IOANNIDIS TEMPLE
167: R5P28 S ELIJAH SHUMATE NOTRE DAME
198: R6P20 WR DEMARCUS AYERS HOUSTON
208: R6P30 DT ANTWAUN WOODS USC


TRADE PARTNER: KANSAS CITY CHIEFS Get :
ROUND: 1 PICK: 22 (OT TAYLOR DECKER )

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 1 PICK: 28
ROUND: 3 PICK: 28
ROUND: 4 PICK: 28

TRADE PARTNER: ARIZONA CARDINALS GET:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 21 (OLB JORDAN JENKINS )

TEXANS RECEIVED:
ROUND: 2 PICK: 30
ROUND: 4 PICK: 30
ROUND: 5 PICK: 28
ROUND: 6 PICK: 30


No way this many rookies make the team, once the FA period is done will have a better idea of team needs.