Freeman: Would you?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

No, the hollow argument is attributing the same responsibilty/credit to both decisions when it is very likely that only one decision was his (hint-the bad one) and the other decision was made in spite of his wishes (another hint-the good one).

Very likely? According to what, the crack reporters at the Chronicle? You don't have a clue about either situation and are painting them how you want to fit a pre-determined argument. Head coaches get the blame and the credit, simple as that. Kubiak gets the blame today for Schaub even though we were a well coached team. And he got the credit when Hopkins jumped over a guys head on a crappy pass to set us up to win in OT. We can't cherry pick when he is the head coach and when he isn't really the head coach.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by barrett

Very likely? According to what, the crack reporters at the Chronicle? You don't have a clue about either situation and are painting them how you want to fit a pre-determined argument. Head coaches get the blame and the credit, simple as that. Kubiak gets the blame today for Schaub even though we were a well coached team. And he got the credit when Hopkins jumped over a guys head on a crappy pass to set us up to win in OT. We can't cherry pick when he is the head coach and when he isn't really the head coach.

Everyone here has to make some educated guesses based on the info. we have. You do it, I do it. We all do it. If you now object to that, i guess we should all just go home because none of us have keys to Reliant.

I don't have the time or inclination to go find articles from 3 years ago, but you know as well as I that it was largely believed that Wade was forced on Kubiak by McNair. At least my speculation has some support.

As for Kubiak, I'm actually more torn than you might expect. I give him a fair amount of credit for our drafts because i think he's heavily involved in the draft and I'm not sure anyone has drafted better than us in the last 4 years. However, since you think such speculation on my part is improper since I'm not there and don't know this for a fact, I guess I should judge him solely on gamedays from now on.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Joshua

Everyone here has to make some educated guesses based on the info. we have. You do it, I do it. We all do it. If you now object to that, i guess we should all just go home because none of us have keys to Reliant.

I don't have the time or inclination to go find articles from 3 years ago, but you know as well as I that it was largely believed that Wade was forced on Kubiak by McNair. At least my speculation has some support.

As for Kubiak, I'm actually more torn than you might expect. I give him a fair amount of credit for our drafts because i think he's heavily involved in the draft and I'm not sure anyone has drafted better than us in the last 4 years. However, since you think such speculation on my part is improper since I'm not there and don't know this for a fact, I guess I should judge him solely on gamedays from now on.

I know we mostly put this one to rest, but I was looking at the "Wade is the new DC" post from 2011 and you have a comment where you talk about how your biggest disappointment is that the decision making process was identical to Frank Bush being hired. That once again a HC and front office with no defensive knowledge made a hire without full interviews. Now that could be totally true, and Wade could be a lucky guess our guys (Smith/Kubiak) stumbled into, but I bring it up because at the time you viewed the decision making process as identical in the Bush and Phillips situations. You gave no indication of one being Kubiak's decision and the other not. That idea was out there in the thread, but it was not one you put any stock in. Your only position was Kubiak made another dumb hire.

And the biggest shocker of all, Chuck declared it the worst hire ever, Phillips an idiot, and Kubiak/McNair/Smith all retards for hiring him. Funny that now Chuck declares Phillips the genius who saves Kubiak.

And when one poster argued that Wade was a good DC but bad HC, Chuck declared that he was never a good DC and that argument was a fraud and the record didn't back it up. Kind of like Chuck has decided there is no record of Kubiak being good with QBs. The common thread is that Chuck will always bash any decision from anyone in a position of power in the Texans organization. The head coach is always stupid and the owner is always a greedy capitalist. It's like a broken record.

http://www.inthebullseye.com/forums/...re+wade&page=4

[popanot]

Why, yes, yes I would trade for Freeman.

[Nconroe]

Just exhange Freeman and Schaub straight up now or end of season?

Not saying I would do that but I guess some one.

[chuck]

It was entertaining to read through that old thread. Joshua was annoyed by the hire because the team didn't seem to consider or interview anyone other than Wade. That seems like a reasonable position to take. I was annoyed because I thought it was largely a PR move, which it was, and because I just sort of generally like being annoyed. I wanted a younger DC who'd bring in new ideas and so on but it would be unreasonably churlish of me to ignore the fact that today's defense despite its several problems is playing very well.

I did mention my conviction that the team would not win with Kubiak as head coach. I have surely remained consistent in that regard.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

It was entertaining to read through that old thread. Joshua was annoyed by the hire because the team didn't seem to consider or interview anyone other than Wade. That seems like a reasonable position to take. I was annoyed because I thought it was largely a PR move, which it was, and because I just sort of generally like being annoyed. I wanted a younger DC who'd bring in new ideas and so on but it would be unreasonably churlish of me to ignore the fact that today's defense despite its several problems is playing very well.

I did mention my conviction that the team would not win with Kubiak as head coach. I have surely remained consistent in that regard.

Yes, Joshua's concern was very reasonable. I think it was right too, even though Wade has obviously worked out very well. But he definitely considered the Wade hire just like the Bush hire in how it happened. Kubiak stumbled into a stupid hire and a great one, luck of the draw I guess. Either way both hires are on him/Smith.

And you have been constant (and constantly correct) in declaring we would not win with Kubiak. I still think a strong personality at QB could make up for the nice guy issues with Kubiak (like Cushing does for Wade, the defense without him is not close to the same, he may be as valuable as JJ). I have no problem replacing Kubiak at the same time as Schaub and would do it that way if I was in charge. For continuity's sake (because we are close), I would be ok with dumping Schaub and giving Kubiak a year with a new QB. That is the other reason Freeman appeals to me more than a rookie. Rookie QBs for veteran coaches are usually about prolonging their own time since they can call for patience with the rookie. I don't want a rookie so we need 3 more years to evaluate what we already know about Kubs. Honestly if we could get a proven winner who wanted to come here and was the missing piece at QB that would be ideal. Of course when will that ever happen (Peyton Manning who we stupidly turned away).

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Just exhange Freeman and Schaub straight up now or end of season?

Not saying I would do that but I guess some one.

Tampa is free and clear of Freeman's contract after the season so I doubt they'd want to take on Schaub's crazy contract. I wish a Freeman trade would happen, but no way this franchise makes a bold move at QB (at least not until it's too late). Unfortunately, we're stuck with Schaub until he gets hurt (not wishing that on him, mind you), the season is lost, his contract ends or gets convenient to eat, or the boob HC is gone.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by popanot

Tampa is free and clear of Freeman's contract after the season so I doubt they'd want to take on Schaub's crazy contract. I wish a Freeman trade would happen, but no way this franchise makes a bold move at QB (at least not until it's too late). Unfortunately, we're stuck with Schaub until he gets hurt (not wishing that on him, mind you), the season is lost, his contract ends or gets convenient to eat, or the boob HC is gone.

This reminds me of something that I was thinking about last night. I think it is very likely that Schaub gets hurt this year. Even with Duane Brown healthy the line is an issue. Anyway, if he does get hurt I certainly hope it happens on the road because to see (and hear) home fans cheer their quarterback's injury would be just about the ugliest thing I can think of.