Freeman: Would you?

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

... I'd prefer a 1 year deal with a QB teacher who can restore my image and give me access to a higher level job with a longer term pay off.

How effective is Kubiak as a quarterback coach? I've been in the vanguard at promoting this idea, but a little thought proves it to be little more than a myth.

Let's see whom he's tutored as Texans and what they've accomplished after their Texans tenure:

David Carr: No need to scratch at scar tissue here

Sage Rosenfels: No meaningful playing time post-Texans

Rex Grossman: Went to Washington and briefly started

Dan Orlovsky: Started a few games in Indy in 2011 including a win over the Texans, no success beyond that

Matt Leinart: Failed in Oakland and Buffalo, that should tell you something

Jake Delhomme: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Jeff Garcia: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Matt Schaub: I don't know if you could argue that he's better today than he was in 2007

Maybe Kubiak is a great quarterback coach but it certainly isn't reflected in the play of the quarterbacks he's coached with the Texans.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

How effective is Kubiak as a quarterback coach? I've been in the vanguard at promoting this idea, but a little thought proves it to be little more than a myth.

Let's see whom he's tutored as Texans and what they've accomplished after their Texans tenure:

David Carr: No need to scratch at scar tissue here

Sage Rosenfels: No meaningful playing time post-Texans

Rex Grossman: Went to Washington and briefly started

Dan Orlovsky: Started a few games in Indy in 2011 including a win over the Texans, no success beyond that

Matt Leinart: Failed in Oakland and Buffalo, that should tell you something

Jake Delhomme: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Jeff Garcia: Nothing as a Texan, nothing post-Texans

Matt Schaub: I don't know if you could argue that he's better today than he was in 2007

Maybe Kubiak is a great quarterback coach but it certainly isn't reflected in the play of the quarterbacks he's coached with the Texans.

I don't look at that list and question Kubiak. I look at that list and praise him. Not one QB on our roster was a starting QB the year before coming here. That means nobody else in the NFL has ever evaluated a guy as a starter before arriving here. Or after for that matter.

That means with the rest of the league's backups we have become a successful NFL franchise. Maybe I am not a huge Kubiak fan, maybe I think Schaub needs to go before we take another step, but I have to tip my cap at Kubs winning as many games as he has in a QB driven league with Rick Smith providing him with table scraps at the league's most important position.

I mean, doesn't it say something that the extremely limited Matt Schaub is the most talented guy on that list?

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

I mean, doesn't it say something that the extremely limited Matt Schaub is the most talented guy on that list?

I understand what you're saying but I think most people would concede that the Texans' success has often been in spite of the team's quarterback play rather than because of it.

[HPF Bob]

That list is a bit misleading. Delhomme and Garcia were emergencies brought out of retirement. He only had one year with Carr and some of the others were just passing through town.

The reputation comes from developing guys like Brian Griese and Jake Plummer, not the guys at the Texans other than Schaub.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

The reputation comes from developing guys like Brian Griese and Jake Plummer, not the guys at the Texans other than Schaub.

Well then, Kubiak's reputation is cemented. Think of how much poorer that pantheon of positional greats would be without Brian Griese and Jake Plummer. And for heaven's sake do not forget Bradlee Van Pelt.

[Nconroe]

I suppose the QB thing started with this from Wikipedia

""Kubiak won his first Super Bowl serving as the quarterbacks coach for the San Francisco 49ers in 1994,[5] guiding Hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young to one of his best seasons. Young received his second NFL MVP and captured Super Bowl XXIX MVP honors by throwing a record six touchdowns in San Francisco’s 49–26 win over the San Diego Chargers""

I thinlk he coached John Elway after that.

That seems like pretty good references.

And you likely knew that.

[barrett]

This just got a whole lot less hypothetical for me.