Do We Need a Change at HC?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by NBT

I think it was Bum who said, I can beat you with our'n, and I can beat you with your'n. If that doesn't mean coaching is the defining thing, I don't know what would be. Kubiak is just not going to get the job done. Why not realize that now, and go ahead and make the move? He can fall on his sword for the players all he wants to but the bottom line is he has had four years to do it, and, while we have improved, we still aren't any closer to the SB than we were.

"There's two kinds of coaches, them that's fired and them that's gonna be fired."

[Fonz the Boss]

I was a little surprised to see that most people still want Kubiak to stay. Its going to be the same old thing people.... They cant win big games with Kubiak. I have become aware of that this season. Their record will continue to be respectable because they will win all other meaningless games.... 1-5 in the division is not acceptable. I praise Kubiak for turning this team around though. We went from a joke to respectable. Now we need someone new to take us to the promised land.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by Fonz the Boss

I praise Kubiak for turning this team around though. We went from a joke to respectable.

This sentence reminded me of something I heard Palillo say the other day and I've been kicking it around for a while but haven't really decided on an answer to. I'm curious to see what others think.

In short, Kubiak has been given lots of props for taking the Texans out of the basement and making them average, respectable, etc. This has generally been viewed as a Herculean accomplishment. When someone called into Palillo and expressed a similar thought, Palillo's take was that this really wasn't much of an accomplishment. While he said it in passing and didn't really go into detail, the jist of his comment was that taking a bad team and simply transforming them into an average team can generally be done by anyone but the most incompetent (particularly with 4 years to do it with). It is getting over the hump from average to good where a person earns his keep. This got me to thinking about it and I wonder whether going from 2-14 to 8-8 is as difficult an accomplishment as we may consider it. Thoughts?

[HPF Bob]

I'll ask Dom Capers and get back to you on that.

[Roy P]

I just don't know who we would hire that's going to be better. Do we get a recycle or a new-comer? How much of a philosophy change do we need in terms of 3/4 defense or non-WCO? Is the GM going to be fired too? Then the scouts and all the rest?

The team is getting better. If they regress, then I say we fire Kubiak. The comment was made that we'd be a year behind IF Kubiak gets fired NEXT year. The converse is, we are 4 years ahead IF Kubiak takes the team to the SuperBowl next year.

[Roy P]

I would think it ironic if Jim Fassell was the HC and Brian Billick the OC.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'll ask Dom Capers and get back to you on that.

Why, Capers couldn't even get us to 8-8?

[chuck]

I think it's pretty clear that McNair is going to keep Kubiak for another year. And, despite my occasional hysterics, I think that's probably the right move.

As Roy asks, who's better? Cower? Sure, he's proven but he's not coming here. Who else? When I look calmly at the disappointing games we've seen I see a lot of players not making plays along with some isolated albeit incredibly idiotic coaching snafus.

If I owned the team I'd try to figure out if the players wanted to play for Kubiak. Do they believe in him? Will they bust their ass for him? If so, keep him around for another year and make it plain to him privately that the team needs to make the playoffs for you to keep your job. Period. Injuries, bad calls, whatever, who cares. No playoffs, no job. And for god's sake, no more halfback passes. Oh, and fire that idiot Marciano.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by chuck

If I owned the team I'd try to figure out if the players wanted to play for Kubiak. Do they believe in him? Will they bust their ass for him?

Quarterback Matt Schaub insists Kubiak still has the support of his players.
"We continually support him so we've got his back,'' Schaub said. "We're all in this together. We're going to have his back until the end. We're going to fight through this thing. We have the utmost confidence in him and he in us and we're just going to continue down that road.''
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Receiver Andre Johnson, who's been with the Texans since 2003, said people outside of the organization don't realize what a mess things were when Kubiak took over and how much he's done to improve the franchise. He's turned an offense that was once known for little more than Carr's repeated sacks into one of the top units in the league.
"I think he's changed the attitude of the team because he's been on teams where they've won Super Bowls and things like that so he knows what it takes,'' Johnson said. "He's just as frustrated as everybody else. He knows that we have the talent to go out and do things and get things accomplished, but it's just not happening.
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I'm not necessarily a big fan of Kubiaks retention, but to answer your question apparently some of the teams key players are.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by NBT

Why, Capers couldn't even get us to 8-8?

Precisely. He did get us to 7-9 before he fell off the wagon. People forget that we had set ourselves up for a nice future after the first three seasons then it all went to hell in the fourth one.

There are some things I don't like about Kubiak and I think, like Shanahan, that he doesn't have a clue how to run a defense and gets too cute on offense. I'd love me some smashmouth up front but we just never get the blockers to make it work. Don't know how you fix that when you focus on the d-line every year.

[NBT]

I don't know how to answer those questions. I just know that I look at Denver, and see how quickly they rebounded after getting a fresh new coach. I yearn for that in Houston, as I have done for lo these many years.