My Guys

[Roy P]

As the March Madness buzz is starting up, I've decided that 64 is the magic number. Here they are with the fat trimmed.


1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.40
4 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
5 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
6 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.48
9 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
11 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
12 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
15 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
17 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
19 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
22 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
23 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
24 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
25 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.45
26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
27 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
29 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
30 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
31 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
32 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
33 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
34 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5" 309 4.99
35 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
36 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
38 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03
39 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
40 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
41 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.58
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
45 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
46 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
47 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
48 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
52 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
54 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
59 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
60 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38
61 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
63 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55
64 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

As the March Madness buzz is starting up, I've decided that 64 is the magic number. Here they are with the fat trimmed.


1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.40
4 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
5 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
6 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
8 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.48
9 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49
11 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
12 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
14 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
15 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
17 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
19 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
20 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
21 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
22 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
23 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
24 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
25 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1" 221 4.45
26 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
27 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
29 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
30 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
31 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
32 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
33 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
34 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5" 309 4.99
35 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
36 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
38 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 2 5/8" 298 5.03
39 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
40 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
41 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.58
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
45 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
46 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
47 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99
48 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
50 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
51 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
52 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
54 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
57 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
58 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
59 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
60 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38
61 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
62 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
63 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55
64 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76

Is this youre Texans big board? How do you place a round value on these guys?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

Is this youre Texans big board? How do you place a round value on these guys?

Yes.

Whoever the top player is in the round I'm drafting in will be their round value.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Yes.

Whoever the top player is in the round I'm drafting in will be their round value.

Roy, You don't have Unger on the list. If that wasn't an oversight, can you explain what you don't like about him? I really like him from the limited stuff I've seen. I think he can be an Eric Steinbach type player- in regards to his versatility... I think he played all 5 OL positions during his career.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Roy, You don't have Unger on the list. If that wasn't an oversight, can you explain what you don't like about him?

I like him. He's probably a 2nd round pick before we even get to our pick. I don't like him so much that I would trade up for him. His Combine numbers are not consistent with a ZBS guy. I like Eric Wood and Alex Mack just as much if not more and can probably get them later on in the draft.

My list has quite a bit of variables that I don't have the time to go through. A part of it has to do with probability that a player will be available compared to players I have around him. Some people call that "value" or whatever. In my estimate, Unger is currently overvalued.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I like him. He's probably a 2nd round pick before we even get to our pick. I don't like him so much that I would trade up for him. His Combine numbers are not consistent with a ZBS guy. I like Eric Wood and Alex Mack just as much if not more and can probably get them later on in the draft.

My list has quite a bit of variables that I don't have the time to go through. A part of it has to do with probability that a player will be available compared to players I have around him. Some people call that "value" or whatever. In my estimate, Unger is currently overvalued.

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme. Ill go on record right now and say if he is selected by a team that runs it he will be an allpro. He is the best second level blocker I have ever seen in college. The only thing he is lacking right now is strength. That can be fixed. If he does get stronger IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme.

IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

We all have opinions. I just think that Eric Wood will be better than Unger. Especially since I've seen mock drafts where Unger is drafted by the Steelers in the 1st round, I think Wood will be better value.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

We all have opinions. I just think that Eric Wood will be better than Unger. Especially since I've seen mock drafts where Unger is drafted by the Steelers in the 1st round, I think Wood will be better value.

I agree we all have opinions and I was just throwing mine out there. I wasnt trying to be a smart ass and act like you were wrong. Hope you didnt take it that way.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by mussop

HIs numbers might not be wat YOU want but his play on the feild speaks volumes for his ability to play in a ZB scheme. Ill go on record right now and say if he is selected by a team that runs it he will be an allpro. He is the best second level blocker I have ever seen in college. The only thing he is lacking right now is strength. That can be fixed. If he does get stronger IMO he has a chance on being one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

I don't think his versatility should be discounted. First, I think it says a lot about his athletic ablity that he successful played LT and C in the same season. Also, I think it says a lot about his understanding of the game and his technical ability. Especially, though, with teams only dressing 7 linemen most games, he offers a flexibility that is almost invaluable, IMO

[mussop]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

I don't think his versatility should be discounted. First, I think it says a lot about his athletic ablity that he successful played LT and C in the same season. Also, I think it says a lot about his understanding of the game and his technical ability. Especially, though, with teams only dressing 7 linemen most games, he offers a flexibility that is almost invaluable, IMO

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by mussop

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Which is why I predict him to be gone by the 33rd pick.

No disagreement here. Which is why he has come off my board. I'm not looking to trade down to get him nor would I trade up to get him. It is more a matter of where we are on the draft slots and where I see him coming off the board.

[Nconroe]

Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Here is a dumb question, so, if a guy isn't on your list but he slips from where you thought he'd be, how do you know to draft him as excellent value. probably you have another list to protect against overlooking a great value.

Well, since I don't run the Texans, it doesn't really matter. This is my list to use on draft day so I can compare what I would have done compared to the Texans.

I don't have scouts all over the country and millions of dollars invested in research. Just a couple of web sites and my own peepers to determine who I'd want and when. After the draft, I can go back to this list and say "I told you so" when a guy I wanted outperforms the guy the Texans drafted.

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans. My point is to show that I can do more with less. There are plenty of websites that rank every college player. What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

Undoubtedly, the Texans will most likely draft some players who are not My Guys. That's when I feel vindicated in complaining. Sometimes, they do pick one of my guys - Antwaun Molden, and I'm pleasantly surprised. I feel especially biased in hoping those players get on the field and make contributions.

So, if Unger just happens to be available at #45 and I draft William Moore instead, I think I can live with that. However, I seriously doubt that Unger lasts that long, so it's kind of a moot point.

[Roy P]

A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

If he were available in the second round we will be making a big mistake not taking him. I stand by what I said earlier. He could end up one of the best OL to come out of this draft.

After some consideration, I've decided to put Unger back on the list. Still think it's a moot point, but I think I really want him more than LeSean McCoy. Afterall, there are other RBs who may be available later in the draft, but not many versatile OL. So, to keep things concise, Unger will replace McCoy on the My Guys draft board on its next update. I also think I'll be adding another USC Trojan.

[mussop]

These are my absolute favorite players in this draft.

BJ Raji DT
Clay Matthews OLB
Max Unger C
Donald Brown RB
Victor Harris CB
Darius Butler CB
Rashad Johnson S
T McKenzie OLB
Emanual Cook S
Jarron Gilbert DE
Gartrell Johnson RB
Pat White QB

If we come out of this draft with any 2 of these guys I will be happy happy happy.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

A slight adjustment. I'll probably still end up drafting Matthews at #15, but he does drop a couple of slots. I've also removed McBath from Texas Tech as I try to consolidate a bit. Today's date is 3/9/09, just so I will know and not update at least until 3/16. I probably shuffle this thing at least 3 times a day.

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College
3 DE Brian Orakpo Texas
4 CB Vontae Davis Illinois
5 DE Everette Brown Florida St.
6 LB Clay Matthews USC
7 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss
8 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut
10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri
12 S William Moore Missouri
13 OC Eric Wood Louisville
14 OC Alex Mack California
15 DE Paul Kruger Utah
16 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee
17 S Patrick Chung Oregon
18 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn
19 RB Andre Brown NC State
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond
21 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss
22 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty
23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa
24 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest
25 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss
26 WR Mike Thomas Arizona
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia
28 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia
29 S Rashad Johnson Alabama
30 S David Bruton Notre Dame
31 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama
32 DT Alex Magee Purdue
33 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St
34 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia
35 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson
37 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M
38 RB Glen Coffee Alabama
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh
40 S C.J. Spillman Marshall
41 RB Ian Johnson Boise State
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue
43 LB Cody Brown Connecticut
44 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama
45 DT Roy Miller Texas
46 DT Dorell Scott Clemson
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan
48 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State
49 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State
50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU
52 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia
53 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St.
54 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU
56 LB Victor Butler Oregon St
57 DE Will Davis Illinois
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska

Bold indicates where I'm guessing the rounds separate for those who care about that sort of thing.

Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ? I mean I obviously know you like "my guys", but is this list based on BPA for the whole Board or what the Texans needs are or a projection/mock of how the Draft will shake-out or some combo of these elements ? Or something else ?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Refresh my memory if you would RP, this list of players (aka "my guys) is what exactly ?

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

[idymoe]

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin

2. Paul Kruger

3. Chip Vaughn

4a. Lawrence Sidbury

4b. A.Q. Shipley

5. Kory Irvin

6. Ian Johnson

7. Stephen Hodge

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any?