At The Combine

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by idymoe

Gartrell Johnson's thighs are freaking huge. (thank you mr. obvious) He ran a 4.71, which I think is fine for the load he brings.

And his second attempt was even slower at 4.77, with the official time maybe not breaking 4.8 ? I say good deal, maybe he slips even lower than the third round but I dunno if I'd want to risk it ?

[idymoe]

I think 4.71 is official. I'm getting times at Football's Future. Ian Johnson's unofficial times were 4.38 and 4.45 and they have his time at 4.46. It is sad you can't go to the official NFL site and easily find all the official results.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

I think 4.71 is official. I'm getting times at Football's Future. Ian Johnson's unofficial times were 4.38 and 4.45 and they have his time at 4.46. It is sad you can't go to the official NFL site and easily find all the official results.

You mean like here?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

Or do you mean official results for EVERY player?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by idymoe

I think 4.71 is official. I'm getting times at Football's Future. Ian Johnson's unofficial times were 4.38 and 4.45 and they have his time at 4.46. It is sad you can't go to the official NFL site and easily find all the official results.

Wow, I did not see that one coming. Johnson does not play up to his times.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Wow, I did not see that one coming. Johnson does not play up to his times.

What always really struck me about Johnson was his patience in waiting for the play to develop, but for me the knock is that he is not agile, by that I mean he is slow footed, despite his 40 time.

I like him but I don't see alot of pro potential there.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Wow, I did not see that one coming. Johnson does not play up to his times.

Well, I am going to put Johnson and Glen Coffee on my draft board. I was sitting on the fence, but after today, they look like good 4th round RBs.

I will have to say that Knowshon Moreno sort of dissapointed me a bit. While it was nice to see him bulk up to 217lbs, I thought for sure that he was a sub 4.6 player. The Cone and Shuttle was where I wanted, but not the long speed. In fact, I'm moving Donald Brown up over Knowshon as my top RB.

Shonn Greene and Rashad Jennings were a lot slower than I was expecting. Jennings 1st unofficial time of 4.42 was so much faster than his 2nd 4.6 that they asked him to run a 3rd time (4.62) so they could determine which was the anomoly.

I'm still scratching my head on RB James Davis and WR Jeremy Maclin. Their unofficial times were quicker than the official times, because they aren't on the leader boards. The slowest official RB time was 4.59 (Beannie Wells) while the slowest official WR time was 4.44 (Kenny McKinley). Since neither are on the list, I suppose that means that their times were even slower, officially. Unofficially, Davis - 4.49 & Maclin - 4.40.

Value at the RB position may come from a guy like Andre Brown, Cedric Peerman, Kory Sheets, or Javaris Williams. While Brown and Moreno are more complete, we may only be looking for a compliment to Slaton that can take some carries and convert short yardage.

The WRs were fast, but the only late round slot/KR/PR that I'm interested in is Mike Thomas. Heyward-Bey, Britt, Mike Wallace, Underwood, and Robiskie are tempting, but I've got bigger fish to fry. I simply don't have a good feel for Johnny Knox, but I'm sure somebody will give him a shot.

At QB, JP Wilson was solid. Stephen McGee flashed. Currently, I'm not optimistic that anyone will be itching to trade up to #15 for Mark Sanchez. I can't imagine any scenario in which Stafford falls out of the top 5.

I was impressed by the Bench numbers of some DL/LB players. T. Taylor at 37, Veikune - 35 (they test for steroids at the Combine), Ziggy Hood - 34, Raji - 33, Orakpo - 31, Cushing - 30 (see Veikune), Freeman - 30, McKillop & McKenzie - 27, Curry - 25, and my sleeper Lee Robinson - 24.

[idymoe]

Roy, yes I meant for every player. They have the information. Why not make it available to the geeks like us that pay their salaries. Seriously, if there weren't such a large fan base for pro football, a guy being miffed at only being guaranteed 10 million for one year would be unthinkable. I know there are fans everywhere that have some regional guy at the combine that they would like to know how he did, even if he weren't in the top performers.

PK, about Ian Johnson. I've watched about 90 percent of Ian Johnson's games, and he played a lot as a freshman. You say he doesn't play up to his speed, but how do you think he racked up all those yards and touchdowns. I know when you watch him, he doesn't look all that fast. He has always been a very patient runner, waiting for the blocks to develop. He has had many long runs in his career. I have seen a lot of these runs where I thought someone had the angle on him and Johnson just has a little left and runs past the guy. It's just surprising, because you don't see that top speed unless he is into the secondary. He's not really a juker and he doesn't run over guys, although he does break tackles because defenders don't end up with the angle on him they think they had. I am much more surprised by the muscle he has put on. He is a great guy, too. After the Fiesta Bowl, he had just about rock star status around Boise. This last year, he asked to play special teams and was an impact player, blocking a couple of punts. His carries were down significantly his junior and senior year, because of some really fast underclassmen. He never complained, just tried to do everything he possibly could to help the team.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by idymoe

PK, about Ian Johnson. I've watched about 90 percent of Ian Johnson's games, and he played a lot as a freshman. You say he doesn't play up to his speed, but how do you think he racked up all those yards and touchdowns.

Even Charles Davis commented he did not see that coming. At the Shrine Game he could not get to the edge, you may call that patience, but that is not what it looked like to me.

I will admit i have not watched most of his games, that turf hurts my eyes, and he is a feel good story. Also he seems like a 1st class young man, but I will pass on him.

I do like his knitted caps.

[idymoe]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I do like his knitted caps.

Maybe you can get one now. The NCAA made him quit selling them.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by idymoe

Roy, yes I meant for every player. They have the information. Why not make it available to the geeks like us that pay their salaries. Seriously, if there weren't such a large fan base for pro football, a guy being miffed at only being guaranteed 10 million for one year would be unthinkable. I know there are fans everywhere that have some regional guy at the combine that they would like to know how he did, even if he weren't in the top performers.

PK, about Ian Johnson. I've watched about 90 percent of Ian Johnson's games, and he played a lot as a freshman. You say he doesn't play up to his speed, but how do you think he racked up all those yards and touchdowns. I know when you watch him, he doesn't look all that fast. He has always been a very patient runner, waiting for the blocks to develop. He has had many long runs in his career. I have seen a lot of these runs where I thought someone had the angle on him and Johnson just has a little left and runs past the guy. It's just surprising, because you don't see that top speed unless he is into the secondary. He's not really a juker and he doesn't run over guys, although he does break tackles because defenders don't end up with the angle on him they think they had. I am much more surprised by the muscle he has put on. He is a great guy, too. After the Fiesta Bowl, he had just about rock star status around Boise. This last year, he asked to play special teams and was an impact player, blocking a couple of punts. His carries were down significantly his junior and senior year, because of some really fast underclassmen. He never complained, just tried to do everything he possibly could to help the team.

In the same post you say he is faster than he looks and had plenty of speed to rack up yards. Then you mention later he lost carries to "really fast underclassmen." So which is it? If he is not fast when compared to other BSU RBs then he is not fast. If the BSU coaching staff who had him for 11 years (seemingly) does not think he is the best runner on their team then he is not that good.

[idymoe]

He is fast. A kid named Avery is blazing fast. Chris Johnson fast. I'm sure he's too small to play in the NFL, but he is a great college back. He is under 180 pounds, but runs surprising well between the tackles. There is no contradiction. BSU's philosophy for many years has been to rotate in as many players as possible. Johnson's sophomore year where he carried the ball so much was not typical.