McShay's Mock Draft

[mussop]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I think the current favorite is Maybin. Michael Johnson is a joke. E. Brown is too good to last. Personally, I'd rather have Paul Kruger than Orakpo if I'm just looking for a "complete" 4-3 end. I'm banking that Maybin's size (242lbs) makes him attractive to Coach Kollar.

I would think that his size would scare Kollar. From what I have heard (Rob Rang) the biggest worry about him is that he wont be able to add much weight.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by mussop

I would think that his size would scare Kollar. From what I have heard (Rob Rang) the biggest worry about him is that he wont be able to add much weight.

Aaron Schobel played for Kollar in Buffalo at 6'4" 243lbs. He has been able to generate double digit sacks with a small DE before, so I wouldn't think he'd be too afraid of bringing Maybin on board.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Aaron Schobel played for Kollar in Buffalo at 6'4" 243lbs. He has been able to generate double digit sacks with a small DE before, so I wouldn't think he'd be too afraid of bringing Maybin on board.

That's like saying Sean Payton prefers short QBs because he did well with Drew Brees. The two are unconnected. I am sure Kollar liked Schobel for a number of reasons, none of which were he was small. If Maybin (or any DE) gets the recommendation from Kollar, it won't be because they were small.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by barrett

That's like saying Sean Payton prefers short QBs because he did well with Drew Brees. The two are unconnected. I am sure Kollar liked Schobel for a number of reasons, none of which were he was small. If Maybin (or any DE) gets the recommendation from Kollar, it won't be because they were small.

Bad analogy. He's looking for high motor, quickness, and intensity... That's according to Kollar himself. And, his history shows a willingness to use undersized guys and very few examples of bigger DLmen. Nobody was arguing that they like him because he's small. However, he may like his athleticism and his size won't concern him.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

Bad analogy. He's looking for high motor, quickness, and intensity... That's according to Kollar himself. And, his history shows a willingness to use undersized guys and very few examples of bigger DLmen. Nobody was arguing that they like him because he's small. However, he may like his athleticism and his size won't concern him.

You just just described Everette Brown.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

That's like saying Sean Payton prefers short QBs because he did well with Drew Brees. The two are unconnected. I am sure Kollar liked Schobel for a number of reasons, none of which were he was small. If Maybin (or any DE) gets the recommendation from Kollar, it won't be because they were small.

You are comparing apples to oranges and putting them in my mouth. How's that for mixed metaphors?

Anyway, let me try to be clearer in my message. It's obvious you aren't following what I am trying to say.

It is my belief, on Feb 7, 2009, that Everette Brown will be off the board when we pick at #15. I also think that getting a pass-rushing DE to play opposite of Mario is a priority for this team and could be addressed with our first round pick.

Of the players who will be available when we pick, I think Aaron Maybin would offer the best pass rushing ability. He's also an underclassman, so like Okoye, there seems to be room for even more improvement. So, while other teams may take a pass on Maybin and allow him to slip because of his size, Kollar may not be as hesitant. Because he has had success with undersized DEs in the past, he may be more willing to bring Maybin on board than other teams picking ahead of us. In fact, like last year, the Texans may be able to trade down and still be able to get the guy that they want.

If you want to see how I feel, please refer to the "My Guys" thread, where I currently have E. Brown as the #2 player on my board. For the purpose of this thread, I was saying the Texans may be most likely targeting Maybin. That is based upon what I see as need, history, and the decision makers.

It was not my intention to say that Kollar wants a 240lbs DE any more than the Steelers wanted a 5' 11" 192lbs WR. When the Steelers drafted Santonio Holmes, Big Ben wanted a "big" target on his team. They passed on Chad Jackson and drafted Holmes because they felt he was a better player. Jackson is 6'1" 215lbs but the Steelers' front office had a good experience with Hines Ward who is barely 6' 0" so they did not get too concerned about the height requirement. Therefore, I project that the Texans will be more likely to draft Maybin than Michael Johnson (who I think will also be available) when we pick.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Roy P

You are comparing apples to oranges and putting them in my mouth. How's that for mixed metaphors?

Anyway, let me try to be clearer in my message. It's obvious you aren't following what I am trying to say.

It is my belief, on Feb 7, 2009, that Everette Brown will be off the board when we pick at #15. I also think that getting a pass-rushing DE to play opposite of Mario is a priority for this team and could be addressed with our first round pick.

Of the players who will be available when we pick, I think Aaron Maybin would offer the best pass rushing ability. He's also an underclassman, so like Okoye, there seems to be room for even more improvement. So, while other teams may take a pass on Maybin and allow him to slip because of his size, Kollar may not be as hesitant. Because he has had success with undersized DEs in the past, he may be more willing to bring Maybin on board than other teams picking ahead of us. In fact, like last year, the Texans may be able to trade down and still be able to get the guy that they want.

If you want to see how I feel, please refer to the "My Guys" thread, where I currently have E. Brown as the #2 player on my board. For the purpose of this thread, I was saying the Texans may be most likely targeting Maybin. That is based upon what I see as need, history, and the decision makers.

It was not my intention to say that Kollar wants a 240lbs DE any more than the Steelers wanted a 5' 11" 192lbs WR. When the Steelers drafted Santonio Holmes, Big Ben wanted a "big" target on his team. They passed on Chad Jackson and drafted Holmes because they felt he was a better player. Jackson is 6'1" 215lbs but the Steelers' front office had a good experience with Hines Ward who is barely 6' 0" so they did not get too concerned about the height requirement. Therefore, I project that the Texans will be more likely to draft Maybin than Michael Johnson (who I think will also be available) when we pick.

Makes sense. I just don't think his size is an indicator we will draft him. But if you say he has the best pass rush ability, that would be.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

You are comparing apples to oranges and putting them in my mouth.

Is it just me or does there seem to be something wrong with that statement?