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Ray Rhodes may not have the "Senior" or "Assistant Head Coach" in his title but obviously he sucks too because he was part of a bad defense and bad secondary. You cannot tell me that he had no input what so ever, especially after Kubiak said in a press conference that he talks to Rhodes all the time and relies on him for input. Bush was the guy Kubiak wanted from the get go. He just couldnt get him. I think Smith was put into a position he just wasnt equiped for. I dont know how good of a LB coach he would have been. Look at Marinelli, awesome DL coach, BAD HC... No one knows how much input Bush had the second half of the season. We do know that there were plays which Smith was banned from calling. Continuity is one of the most important aspects of football, and firing coaches mid season is typically not a good idea, and usually reeks of desperation. Which is a BAD thing! This is a decision that has the potential to break Kubiak, but there is way more room for impovment on the def side of the ball than there is room to fall. I will go out on a limb here, and hope to hell that I never have to find out, but I am willing to bet even any season wtih 4 or more wins guantees Kubiak his 5th year. Bob is a patient man, I think he understands what it means to really cook something rather than drive through McD's for shut up the overweight spoiled kids in the back seat. |
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Again, I'm not trying to just stir the pot. I would like someone, anyone, to give me any concrete, objective reason why Bush deserved the job other than he was Kubiak's first choice. I appreciate Warren's info on the Arizona D at the time and they clearly played better than I remember (not that I watched them much). But that alone doesn't seem like enough of a track record to warrant the job. I don't have any idea what sort of defense he wants to run (I don't care about the press conference crap where he said he wants to run a more aggressive defense. Every new D coordinator says this. There's $20 in it for anyone who can find a quote from an incoming D coordinator who says he wants to play it safe, play prevent and be less aggressive.) Who did he learn under and who is his mentor? If he has one, is he still a disciple of his mentor's scheme and wants to run it? What sort of players does he look for to play his D? I know it sounds like I'm being hard on Bush, but it's really not Bush that I'm upset with, it's Kubiak. I hope Bush works out and we'll see if he does, but I've yet to see anything concrete on why he deserved the job without even considering any other candidates (except for Gray). While it may all work out in the end, I don't see how you can look at the process the Texans just went through to hire their new D coordinator and say, "Yep, that's how it's done. The way they handled that tells me this regime knows what they're doing and I'm confident we're heading in the right direction." I'm honestly asking, does anyone feel this way? |
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Any time a new coach is hired, they tell the media they plan for the team to be "more aggressive". When have you ever heard a coach say he wants his team to be less aggressive? Or perhaps "more passive"? What is it that takes a coach from being "more aggressive" to being replaced by someone who swears to be "more aggressive"? At what point does one become too aggressive? Kyle Turley? Jared Allen?
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I do think we need to have a more attacking style. If we had two huge hogs at DT who could clog things up then letting them clog things up in the middle while the others players made there reads might work better. Our personell just doesn't fit. If Bush is super aggressive and blitzes a ton and it results in a few big plays, then I'm sure we will start to hear complaints because Bush blitzes too much, or that his defense is reckless. I don't really care if our defense is considered aggressive as long as it works.
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What we do know is that Gary Kubiak has worked with Bush for years and wants him as his DC. The players have worked with him for years and have come out in support of the hire. Anything else is specualtion. A year from now we will either see this as a smart move or the reason Kubiak was fired, but right now any judgement of this hire is blind conjecture. |
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Kubiak is probably all to aware that this hire will make or break him. He had a lot more riding on this than any of us.
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Ummmmm, that is what 90% of message boards are. People giving thier opinions on the situations. Of course we don't know the inner workings of the team, but I think it is pretty safe to say that coaching prospects are reported on, and I also think that the fact that 90% of the posters on this board called the Bush hiring as soon as he was retained and Smith was released is a telling sign. I don't think Joshua is doing anything other than voicing concerns and asking someone for more information so he can get his head around the decision rather than just having blind faith (which was all used up with the casserly/capers regime) |
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It was like when somebody posted last week they heard Kubiak was taking a week off and then putting together a list of candidates and we got a page of replies about how Kubiak was taking a vacation. This stuff is all made up. Someone hears a quote about Kubiak taking his time on the hire, relates it the best he remembers it, and someone twists it to suit a preconceived idea until Kubiak is in club med while all the good hires get snatched up. As for blind faith, I would say the perfect definition is listening to message board rants while ignoring the words of a guy like Demeco Ryans. Now, if you want to argue that message boards are a great place for wild guesses, blind conjecture, half truths, directionless rants, and the like. I can't argue with you. Nor can you argue with me going after it if I don't like it. |
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As for Kubiak's first choice, I give this little thought. As great as Kubiak has been with the offense, he's been equally disasterous with the defense. I simply don't afford him the same benefit of the doubt on the defensive side of the ball. Finally, I think I've also been clear that my primary complaint has been the process. Like everyone else here, I just want the Texans to succeed and hopefully this will be a step in that direction. I've been vocal that I'm concerned it is not. With any luck, you all will get to throw this back in my face this time next year. |
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I never heard a single good word about Kyle Shanahan as a position coach, and then he was hired as OC. many of the threads on the old HPF ripped the hiring, and yet this past year, our offense was at its best ever. And the truth is we still don't know how much was him. We never see these guys on the field, we just see a product that they were in some indefinable way responsible for. I've been on football staffs and it is not like any other coaching staff. There are so many coaches that a bum can be hidden and a star can be snuffed out. So regarding this hire, we honestly know almost nothing directly about Bush other than his Boss and his players are big fans. And as for the hiring process we know just as little. The number of public interviews shows a handful were considered. The talk shows they considered additional 3-4 guys, and the number of people on the original list that were considered is something we'll never know. With all this in play I will take a wait and see approach. If anyone claims to know more, they are welcome to do so, but they have nothing to back up that claim. |
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[QUOTE=Joshua;7259]
I don't have any idea what sort of defense he wants to run (I don't care about the press conference crap where he said he wants to run a more aggressive defense. Every new D coordinator says this. There's $20 in it for anyone who can find a quote from an incoming D coordinator who says he wants to play it safe, play prevent and be less aggressive.) Who did he learn under and who is his mentor? If he has one, is he still a disciple of his mentor's scheme and wants to run it? What sort of players does he look for to play his D? QUOTE] Watch his press conference video on the teams site. He learned from Gregg Robinson Jerry Glanville and buddy Ryan. He runs the 4-3.
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In his presser yesterday, Bush said he wants the players playing fast and physical, will simplify things and wants to create turnovers. I know, all the typical coaching cliches'.
He wants to be aggressive and react, play north and south. I think that might be a statement on the play of the DT's. I wonder if that means more gap shooting vs read then react. Should suit Omobi better. I can give my boss all kind of ideas. It is up to him to use them. it is possible that this is what happened between Bush/Smith. Just speculating on my part. At some point in his career, he coached LB's, DL and secondary in addition to scouting. He is a former player. I bet he he can identify talent, or lack thereof. Demeco is happy with the pick. He indicates that when Frank talks, people are focused on him. I'll roll with what he says vs drivel on the board. I choose looking for positives over dwelling on possible negatives. The proof will be in the product, and I'll base judgement on those results, vs superficial arguements about why he should not have been the choice or will fail. He might not have better results than Smith, but he certainly should not do worse, and we all know we will be drafting and spending FA money on the defense.
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It's becoming increasingly apparent that Kubiak doesn't have the nads to make the difficult decision based on his failure to fire/demote Smith when he had the man he wanted all along on his staff for the past 2 years. All this while watching his defense get torched beyond recognition for the most part. Sweet... We waisted two years on the Smith experiment.
Personally, I don't have problem with Bush if that's who Kubiak wants and feels is the best man for the job. I do have a problem with Kubiak not making the move sooner, however. This would concern me greatly if I were Bob McNair. |
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I think it's pretty unfair to say that Kubiak can't make a tough decision because he lt Smith hae a full season. Hypothetically speaking, if Kubiak held onto Smith and the defense was above average next year, maybe bordering on top ten or better, then all the talk would be about how much courage it took for Kubiak to have the necessary patience to let Smith get the right players in and his scheme going. Dungy was too nice and Coughlin was too mean...until they both won Super Bowls. We had an unually large number of injuries on the defense Smith's first year. He was given the benefit of the doubt. The defense was poor again the next year, but actually finished strong over the last part of the season. That improvement late in the season probably saved his job. Another poor year and he gets the ax. I'm sure that Smith knew his job was on the line, and have no problem with Kubiak letting him go the whole season to try and save it. There's not enough time mid-season to make dramatic changes to a defense. Sure, they could have let Bush call a couple of games late, but we still wouldn't have seen what he brings because he would only have time to make minor changes to Smith's framework late in the season. Besides, it's entirely possible that Bush was given a little more control over the defense for the last few games...and the fact that the defense seemed to play a little better could be part of the reason he was hired (total speculation on my part though). I think a new coordinator is better off coming in clean in the off season anyway. Players are more likely to buy in in the off season then they are trying to adjust mid-stream.
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I've read and watched quite a bit about this coaching decision, based on all that this is my opinion on how the whole decision came down:
-Somewhere in the mid-season--after dropping the game against Minnesota in particular--the players lost faith in Richard's defense. A couple comments from Dunta, DeMeco, and Wilson speak to this, criticizing the game plan and the lack of aggression. Mario gets in the act also, his proclamation of 'I'm going to go then react to the play, rather than read first.' after having his most productive game. -Kubiak takes a much closer look at the defense, and uses his sounding board and original choice for DC more than ever. He definitely relies on Bush's influence and the defense takes a turn that was obvious to all of us. My guess is that Bush's opinion in forming the defensive gameplan suddenly outranked Smith's. Whether Bush called the plays or not, the gameplan was his and Kubiak enforced it. -Kubiak is very pleased with the turn-around on defense...and game score. After a few impressive games, Kubiak has already made his mind up: "Frank Bush is my new DC." -That being said he has two reasons for not implementing this change during the season. First, Richard Smith is his friend, he brought him into this franchise, gave him the position, and feels somewhat responsible for the eventual outcome. He decides to make the change in a classier fashion. Second, as John Mclain mentioned in one of his video's, "the McNairs'" wanted to interview more than one candidate. -After talking to all of his players his decision is reinforced, Kubiak makes the call and terminates Richard Smith. He also lets go of Hoke--likely due to Dunta's comments--and Jethro Franklin...Mario's handiwork. -So Bob and Cal aren't ready to just hand over the DC crown to anyone, but in typical fashion they do listen to their coach. When he announced Richard Smith's firing, Kubiak has a bit of a sly grin when he was asked if Frank Bush would be interviewed for the DC position. I thought the slyness was just out of respect for both Smith and Bush, but I now think this was due to the McNairs' request/boss's demand. -So Kubiak--mind already made up--calls some coaches he would like to interview and accepts some additional coaches thought up by Rick and the McNairs. Frank Bush says in a video that he was "one of many" who interviewed. I'm sure that Jerry Gray originally agreed to come in to interview, but I'm betting they talked to several others who had other plans. Once Jerry Gray's interview was denied, the McNair's discovery period was satisfied and Kubiak was free to make the announcement. -This explains why position coaches continued to be interviewed without an official DC. In my opinion, David Gibbs is already hired we'll probably hear that tommorow. My guess is that they have a target on the DL coach as well and I'm betting that person is in the playoffs right now. Kubiak made the comment in his most recent video..."It could take awhile. [team wins] It could happen in the next day or so. [team loses] I’ll keep you up to date." |
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Maybe I missed something, but I don't recall anyone saying he was the wrong choice, or that he will fail. I think the comments were more focused on the hiring process that was used and requesting information on the guy. I may have come the closest when i said I was concerned about keeping anyone from the previous defensive staff, but I think I clearly said I hoped I was wrong. |
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