post game thoughts

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by Mike

5) The coach in charge of the run game is Alex Gibbs. he has complete control over all aspects of the run game including receivers. Larry Kirksey is the WR coach. Kubiak has said that Alex tells the WR's "when you run routes, everone blocks for you, so I expect you to block when we run." Walter is a good run blocker. His block on the WR scree to AJ was excellent.
7) Garbage time carries should not be judged. He was really good in college and in limited action with the Eagles.
9) - no doubt. Big Duane has some conditioning issues. I think this has helped him and Ephram as well.
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first off, two points for actually knowing who the recievers coach is. i'll bet we have a fun couple of WR to try to shed. both big, both strong, both quick...awesome.
7-for real, we just cut chris taylor...do we want to start that all over again? let's see what he does in real situations.
9-funny for a guy labeled as one of the most athletic tackles in the draft...

Originally Posted by idymoe

On TJ's sack, he absolutley blew up the middle of the line, taking 2 blockers with him. Mario had contain on his side, and the qb basically had nowhere to go except right into Johnson.

nice to see him doing something, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Perhaps holding any team to 6 points is the start of seeing a good defense come together, sure hope so.

i don't think we should using the bengals game as a turning point for anything

[NBT]

I would like to see TJ do that every game at some point, the trouble is TJ usualy is just not interested.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by NBT

I would like to see TJ do that every game at some point, the trouble is TJ usualy is just not interested.

I really don't get this sentiment. TJ has been consistently solid since Kubiak's little public wake up call. He's not the pass rusher we hoped, but then again we are asking him to play as the 1 technique NT type player....of course that could be because he wasn't getting it done as an under-tackle and the reason we got Okoye.

He's not dominant against the run either, which is why I'm not advocating that he go to the pro-bowl or anything. Outside of Mario he's the best D-lineman we have against the run. I would like to see his spot upgraded, but he's not a bad player.

I saw him go from the opposite hashmark to chase down a screen to get in on a tackle 15 yards down field along the sideline. I've routinely see him chase down plays once they get past the line. 300 lb D-lineman who aren't interested don't do those type of things.

[gunslinger57]

Don't forget:

11) Our guys need to take dance lessons from David Anderson. The String Dance is a heck of a lot better than whatever Kevin and TJ did.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

Don't forget:

11) Our guys need to take dance lessons from David Anderson. The String Dance is a heck of a lot better than whatever Kevin and TJ did.

Anderson HAS to break out Carlton's Dance from the fresh prince of Bellaire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrObV84tD8g

[KJ3]

if a carlton dance gets loose they may as well go for the opening scene from base-ketball. that would be totally ridiculous!

[NBT]

Originally Posted by papabear

I really don't get this sentiment. TJ has been consistently solid since Kubiak's little public wake up call. He's not the pass rusher we hoped, but then again we are asking him to play as the 1 technique NT type player....of course that could be because he wasn't getting it done as an under-tackle and the reason we got Okoye.

He's not dominant against the run either, which is why I'm not advocating that he go to the pro-bowl or anything. Outside of Mario he's the best D-lineman we have against the run. I would like to see his spot upgraded, but he's not a bad player.

I saw him go from the opposite hashmark to chase down a screen to get in on a tackle 15 yards down field along the sideline. I've routinely see him chase down plays once they get past the line. 300 lb D-lineman who aren't interested don't do those type of things.

I guess I have just never really been a fan of TJ's. He is not my type of defensiveplayer. I want the type of DT player with fire in his eyes on every play. Also one who gets consistant pressure up the middle. Especially since he was a first round pick. To me he just hasn't been that kind of player.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by NBT

I guess I have just never really been a fan of TJ's. He is not my type of defensiveplayer. I want the type of DT player with fire in his eyes on every play. Also one who gets consistant pressure up the middle. Especially since he was a first round pick. To me he just hasn't been that kind of player.

Your not alone. I just don't get the mob mentality sometimes that once a player has been labeled as the bad guy it is almost impossible to change that view. I was raised by wolves...I mean lawyers, so it might just be me feeling the need to argue with someone.

He isn't getting consistent pressure up the middle, but I'm not convinced they are asking him to penetrate most downs. Maybe they are and I'm just giving him too much credit for playing more of a two gap role. I think his effort level has been pretty good this year...Of course, I'm sure some of that has to do with Okoye, Okam, and Dlejuan being around too. Whatever, I don't care as long as he got the message.

I'd like to see more from his position, whether it's from him or we find an upgrade. It's just that what I see when I watch the games doesn't match up with what I hear about around town....Which means I'm really smart, or the biggest idiot in town I guess.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by papabear

... what I see when I watch the games doesn't match up with what I hear about around town....Which means I'm really smart, or the biggest idiot in town I guess.

You ARE very smart, compared with most fans. I think most people on this board are very smart compared to radio callers, other boards, and for that matter, most sports jocks. Some of the sports jocks seem to know so little about what they are talking about that it amazes me they can keep their jobs.

The thing about football is that it is VERY complicated. Even the smartest expert is going to be wrong some of the time. That's one of the things that makes it so interesting.

I'm disappointed in Okoye because I had such high expectations of him. I watched him chasing the Bengals QB last week and was shocked at how slow he seemed. I keep hearing that he is being used incorrectly and actually hope that it's true. Because if it is it can be corrected. If the D doesn't improve, I imagine Smith will be gone whether it's his fault or not. It would be interesting to see whether his replacement would do anything different with Okoye.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

I'm disappointed in Okoye because I had such high expectations of him. I watched him chasing the Bengals QB last week and was shocked at how slow he seemed. I keep hearing that he is being used incorrectly and actually hope that it's true. Because if it is it can be corrected. If the D doesn't improve, I imagine Smith will be gone whether it's his fault or not. It would be interesting to see whether his replacement would do anything different with Okoye.

Okoye's a DT. It's going to take him a couple of few years to grow into the position, and I'm not just talking about his age. It's very rare for a DT to come into the league and be a consistent force right away. RB's, WR, CB's, LB's, DE's all can contribute very noticeably early on. DT's, unless they're one of the few that can dominate, Hanynesworth, are rarely noticed. Even Haynesworth took a few years to get it. I'm not so sure that it was only because he was lazy, or that he only started trying when he needed a new contract.

When we took TJ it everyone spoke about how it would take time for him to develop, and to be patient. If you ask me we finally started to see the real TJ this year. Now, he's not what we hoped for, but again I think he's a solid player being asked to play to his weaknesses and not his strengths.

Okoye's got even more growing up to do than the average DT coming into the league. He's shown signs. I think he'll be fine. I don't know if he will ever be great, but I think there's still a chance. If all people worry about is sacks then you will probably always be disappointed. Hell he was about eigth in the league in sacks last year among DT's.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

I guess I have just never really been a fan of TJ's. He is not my type of defensiveplayer. I want the type of DT player with fire in his eyes on every play. Also one who gets consistant pressure up the middle. Especially since he was a first round pick. To me he just hasn't been that kind of player.

TJ has the 2nd best motor on our DL. He is chasing plays down from sideline to sideline. He is doing exactly what the coaches want him to do.

Your problem, which is the problem of most here, is the scheme the coaches have chosen. They have two DT that have the ability to penetrate and they seem to be asking them to hold a position. Hell lets go one gap and penetrate on ever play. it would seem to be playing into the strength of Okoye and TJ.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by painekiller

TJ has the 2nd best motor on our DL. He is chasing plays down from sideline to sideline. He is doing exactly what the coaches want him to do.

Your problem, which is the problem of most here, is the scheme the coaches have chosen. They have two DT that have the ability to penetrate and they seem to be asking them to hold a position. Hell lets go one gap and penetrate on ever play. it would seem to be playing into the strength of Okoye and TJ.

I can get on board with that too PK. It is part of my constant gripe that Richard Smith is not the answer, while realizing full well, that Kubiak is probably not very secure with the LBs behind the DL (or the secondary). So saying it gives me even more hope that we are really putting the college kids under the microscope, the LB ones I mean. But so saying, we need to see how good we can be this year, so i say let the dogs out, and let them see what they can really do the rest of the season.