post game thoughts

[idymoe]

It's nice to see so many guys can see past stats or lack therof. I think Amobi's only stat for the game was the fumble recovery, ( maybe an assist?) but he did have consistent pressure. On TJ's sack, he absolutley blew up the middle of the line, taking 2 blockers with him. Mario had contain on his side, and the qb basically had nowhere to go except right into Johnson.

[Nconroe]

Larry Kirksey has been WR coach the last year and this year, previously coached Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, and Jimmy Smith, three receivers with over 800 catches each. Seems to be doing an excellent job with all our receivers.

I think entire offense, starting to build their confidence, and we do need to see them do it against the better defenses.

Perhaps holding any team to 6 points is the start of seeing a good defense come together, sure hope so.

Nice to see special teams overall getting more consistent.

I think Efraim earned a right to get some playing time, one of experienced leaders on the team.

Amazing what +3 in turnovers can do.

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by Mike

5) The coach in charge of the run game is Alex Gibbs. he has complete control over all aspects of the run game including receivers. Larry Kirksey is the WR coach. Kubiak has said that Alex tells the WR's "when you run routes, everone blocks for you, so I expect you to block when we run." Walter is a good run blocker. His block on the WR scree to AJ was excellent.
7) Garbage time carries should not be judged. He was really good in college and in limited action with the Eagles.
9) - no doubt. Big Duane has some conditioning issues. I think this has helped him and Ephram as well.
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first off, two points for actually knowing who the recievers coach is. i'll bet we have a fun couple of WR to try to shed. both big, both strong, both quick...awesome.
7-for real, we just cut chris taylor...do we want to start that all over again? let's see what he does in real situations.
9-funny for a guy labeled as one of the most athletic tackles in the draft...

Originally Posted by idymoe

On TJ's sack, he absolutley blew up the middle of the line, taking 2 blockers with him. Mario had contain on his side, and the qb basically had nowhere to go except right into Johnson.

nice to see him doing something, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Perhaps holding any team to 6 points is the start of seeing a good defense come together, sure hope so.

i don't think we should using the bengals game as a turning point for anything

[NBT]

I would like to see TJ do that every game at some point, the trouble is TJ usualy is just not interested.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by NBT

I would like to see TJ do that every game at some point, the trouble is TJ usualy is just not interested.

I really don't get this sentiment. TJ has been consistently solid since Kubiak's little public wake up call. He's not the pass rusher we hoped, but then again we are asking him to play as the 1 technique NT type player....of course that could be because he wasn't getting it done as an under-tackle and the reason we got Okoye.

He's not dominant against the run either, which is why I'm not advocating that he go to the pro-bowl or anything. Outside of Mario he's the best D-lineman we have against the run. I would like to see his spot upgraded, but he's not a bad player.

I saw him go from the opposite hashmark to chase down a screen to get in on a tackle 15 yards down field along the sideline. I've routinely see him chase down plays once they get past the line. 300 lb D-lineman who aren't interested don't do those type of things.

[gunslinger57]

Don't forget:

11) Our guys need to take dance lessons from David Anderson. The String Dance is a heck of a lot better than whatever Kevin and TJ did.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

Don't forget:

11) Our guys need to take dance lessons from David Anderson. The String Dance is a heck of a lot better than whatever Kevin and TJ did.

Anderson HAS to break out Carlton's Dance from the fresh prince of Bellaire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrObV84tD8g

[NBT]

Originally Posted by papabear

I really don't get this sentiment. TJ has been consistently solid since Kubiak's little public wake up call. He's not the pass rusher we hoped, but then again we are asking him to play as the 1 technique NT type player....of course that could be because he wasn't getting it done as an under-tackle and the reason we got Okoye.

He's not dominant against the run either, which is why I'm not advocating that he go to the pro-bowl or anything. Outside of Mario he's the best D-lineman we have against the run. I would like to see his spot upgraded, but he's not a bad player.

I saw him go from the opposite hashmark to chase down a screen to get in on a tackle 15 yards down field along the sideline. I've routinely see him chase down plays once they get past the line. 300 lb D-lineman who aren't interested don't do those type of things.

I guess I have just never really been a fan of TJ's. He is not my type of defensiveplayer. I want the type of DT player with fire in his eyes on every play. Also one who gets consistant pressure up the middle. Especially since he was a first round pick. To me he just hasn't been that kind of player.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by NBT

I guess I have just never really been a fan of TJ's. He is not my type of defensiveplayer. I want the type of DT player with fire in his eyes on every play. Also one who gets consistant pressure up the middle. Especially since he was a first round pick. To me he just hasn't been that kind of player.

Your not alone. I just don't get the mob mentality sometimes that once a player has been labeled as the bad guy it is almost impossible to change that view. I was raised by wolves...I mean lawyers, so it might just be me feeling the need to argue with someone.

He isn't getting consistent pressure up the middle, but I'm not convinced they are asking him to penetrate most downs. Maybe they are and I'm just giving him too much credit for playing more of a two gap role. I think his effort level has been pretty good this year...Of course, I'm sure some of that has to do with Okoye, Okam, and Dlejuan being around too. Whatever, I don't care as long as he got the message.

I'd like to see more from his position, whether it's from him or we find an upgrade. It's just that what I see when I watch the games doesn't match up with what I hear about around town....Which means I'm really smart, or the biggest idiot in town I guess.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by NBT

I guess I have just never really been a fan of TJ's. He is not my type of defensiveplayer. I want the type of DT player with fire in his eyes on every play. Also one who gets consistant pressure up the middle. Especially since he was a first round pick. To me he just hasn't been that kind of player.

TJ has the 2nd best motor on our DL. He is chasing plays down from sideline to sideline. He is doing exactly what the coaches want him to do.

Your problem, which is the problem of most here, is the scheme the coaches have chosen. They have two DT that have the ability to penetrate and they seem to be asking them to hold a position. Hell lets go one gap and penetrate on ever play. it would seem to be playing into the strength of Okoye and TJ.