Official Texans vs. Giants Game Thread, 9/23/2018

[Big Texas]

Rollouts are not gimmicks...

Its a way to make your QB a weapon with both his arm and his legs...while MOVING the pocket...

No one said he wont ever be able to only that he does not have the experience to make ALL the reads and go through his progressions. I believe he will one day be great...however standing in the constantly collapsing pocket staring down DHop has not proven successful yet.

[Big Texas]

And BTW even Matt Schaub used to complete deep passes with 30 seconds left in the half down 2 scores while the defense is playing over the top...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Rollouts are not gimmicks...

Its a way to make your QB a weapon with both his arm and his legs...while MOVING the pocket...

No one said he wont ever be able to only that he does not have the experience to make ALL the reads and go through his progressions. I believe he will one day be great...however standing in the constantly collapsing pocket staring down DHop has not proven successful yet.

They've moved the pocket constantly and called play action repeatedly. They're doing it as often as you reasonably can. Also calling a few passes from the pocket is not in our top 100 problems right now.

And the biggest reason the pocket is collapsing is he holds the ball. He is the most pressured QB because he takes almost twice as long to get the ball out. Today he has added to that by throwing ground balls on half the throws that do come out on time. He is playing awful. He was great last year. I expect him to be great again. But HE is the problem with our offense right now. It's not the WRs or the OL or the coach or the play calls. It's the QB who still doesn't have 10 career games and looks lost since coming back from his knee injury.

[Arky]

Eli is 12/14, 175 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 142.6 rating.

Watson is 8/15, 136 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 84.3 rating.

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Barkley is 10/69, 6.9 avg, 1 TD

L Miller is 8/8, 1.0 avg

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Giants 14 first downs.

Texans 8 first downs.

[Big Texas]

Well you are entitled to your opininon but we will have to agree to disagree...I believe this is mostly on Obrien...then a terrible Oline...and then receivers who gain no separation...then Watsons inexperience...

I was team Obrien all last year but with the talent and lack of production...it has to be on Obrien...he cant seem to put the pieces together...

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Well you are entitled to your opininon but we will have to agree to disagree...I believe this is mostly on Obrien...then a terrible Oline...and then receivers who gain no separation...then Watsons inexperience...

I was team Obrien all last year but with the talent and lack of production...it has to be on Obrien...he cant seem to put thw pieces together...

O'Brien could be fired tomorrow and it'd be well earned. He came into the year with the team totally unprepared.

But how you can watch Watson play football and not think he's a huge source of the problem right now is denial of the highest order. The ground balls he's throwing to WRs with no pressure has nothing to do with coaching. He's clearly not right yet. Whether it's mental or physical or the fact he blew out his knee 11 months ago, who knows. But he's bad right now.

[barrett]

54 yard FG splits the posts and a KO tackle inside the 10. At least special teams showed up.

[Arky]

Watson hits Fuller on a 6 yard TD pass.

Texans going for 2......

2 point shovel pass to L Miller doesn't work.

Giants 20, Texans 15

7:37 left in the game.

One more stop, defense....

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

O'Brien could be fired tomorrow and it'd be well earned. He came into the year with the team totally unprepared.

But how you can watch Watson play football and not think he's a huge source of the problem right now is denial of the highest order. The ground balls he's throwing to WRs with no pressure has nothing to do with coaching. He's clearly not right yet. Whether it's mental or physical or the fact he blew out his knee 11 months ago, who knows. But he's bad right now.

They weren't ready for the season opener and 3 weeks later didn't look any less unprepared for the home opener, but realistically what's the earliest time they could dump O'Brien given the contract extention they gave him prior to the beginning of this season ?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

They weren't ready for the season opener and 3 weeks later didn't look any less unprepared for the home opener, but realistically what's the earliest time they could dump O'Brien given the contract extention they gave him prior to the beginning of this season ?

If McNair's handling of Capers, Casserly, Smith, and Kubiak is any indicator, I'd say by week 10 of 2024.

[Arky]

Fairbairn connects on a 54-yard FG.

Giants 20, Texans 9

8:41 left in the 3rd qtr.

Just 4 more FG's to go!