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Arky 09-19-2018 05:26 PM

Official Texans vs. Giants Game Thread, 9/23/2018
 
The 0-2 New York Giants visit the 0-2 Houston Texans this Sunday in a noon matchup on FOX. The Giants are coming off a 20-13 road loss to the Cowboys on SNF while the Texans are coming off a 20-17 road loss to the Titans. The Texans are 1-3 all time vs. the Giants. Both teams are 0-2 ATS. Should be a real whiz-banger.

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TV = FOX (channel 26 local), noon CST, Sunday Sept 23, 2018

Announcers = Kenny Albert, Ronde Barber

The line = Texans by 6 to 7

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Other Sunday viewing in the Houston area:

CBS (late) = LA Chargers @ LA Rams, Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts

FOX (late) = Dallas @ Seattle, Joe Buck, Troy Aikman

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Prime time:

TNF = NY Jets @ Cleveland (NFLN)

SNF = New England @ Detroit (NBC)

MNF = Pittsburgh @ Tampa Bay (ESPN)

Keith 09-21-2018 04:59 PM

Whatever is happening with Clowney, there has to be more than what's on the surface (i.e. from local reports). Regardless, Clowney is expected to play on Sunday, and that is a good thing. The Giants are a terrible team.

This is a good test for Watson since this is not a game where he needs to find that gamebreaker on every snap to win. Understandable he might feel that way on the road in the opener against the Pats. But he and the Texans ought to know that they just need to give the Giants enough time and space in this one to bury themselves, because they will. The Texans lose this one if Watson turns the ball over too often.

I'm expecting the front 7 to get more pressure this week, too. They have not been bad so far in spite of what others may think, but they are also capable of more than they've shown. Clowney is a difference-maker, so having him play will obviously help.

Interior OL play hasn't been too bad. Hopefully the OTs show improvement in Week 3. The run game overall has been decent, probably a reaction by opposing DC's to contain Watson's willingness to extend plays and throw deep.

Watson's play this year reminds me a little of what Case Keenum tried while he was here. Keenum matured in the time since, and I have to believe Watson will too, and very soon. Still have 14 games left, and 8 of them at home. Aside from road games at Jacksonville, Denver, and Philadelphia, the Texans are lucky to have what seems to be a relatively easy schedule this season.

Arky 09-23-2018 11:14 AM

Inactives:

Keke Coutee, WR
Sammie Coates, WR
Kayvon Webster, CB
Peter Kalambayi, OLB
Roderick Johnson, T
Carlos Watkins, DE
Joel Heath, DE

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Liberty White Out day

Arky 09-23-2018 12:13 PM

Texans take the opening kickoff and get into the red zone but fail to get six. Settle for a Fairbairn 23-yard FG.

Texans 3, Giants 0

10:10 left in the 1st qtr.

Arky 09-23-2018 12:24 PM

Texan defense hitting hard but can't stop the Giants as they roll down the field capped by a 15-yard Barkley TD run.

Giants 7, Texans 3

4:10 left in the 1st qtr.

barrett 09-23-2018 12:25 PM

The Giants offense that just rolled us has been terrible for 2 weeks. I was hoping we could get well in this game, but I guess that's how the Giants look at us.

Arky 09-23-2018 12:44 PM

Rosas adds a 44-yard FG on the Giants 2nd possession.

Giants 10, Texans 3

11:49 left in the half.

barrett 09-23-2018 12:49 PM

3 false starts in a half at home. And then Watson runs around and holds the ball for 10 seconds before getting crushed on a 3rd down sack. And he's way out of the pocket when he gets sacked. You have to throw the ball away at some point. We're not seeing any growth in his willingness to let a play go.

Big Texas 09-23-2018 12:50 PM

Terrible offense again...

Big Texas 09-23-2018 12:55 PM

OBrien must have a short memory...

The Oline sucks...pocket passing is a no go...

Outside of Fuller none of the receivers can create separation...
Every team presses our receivers without any respect...

barrett 09-23-2018 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 47624)
OBrien must have a short memory...

The Oline sucks...pocket passing is a no go...

Outside of Fuller none of the receivers can create separation...
Every team presses our receivers without any respect...

There is no such thing as NFL football without pocket passing.

O'Brien looks like he's already lost the locker room, but calling pocket passes are not one of the dozen reasons he looks dumb right now.

barrett 09-23-2018 12:59 PM

JJ Watt guessing and jumping up field was great when he was so athletic he ran around blocks and made plays. Now that he isn't that athletic he just runs himself out of plays and leaves us to be gouged.

chuck 09-23-2018 01:02 PM

There is so much wrong with this team it is hard to know where to start.

I enjoy watching Texans DL cover Giants receivers. That's always a good time.

Arky 09-23-2018 01:04 PM

Rosas add another 30-yard FG. Giants scoring on every possession so far.

Thank JJ Watt for keeping them to a FG.

Giants 13, Texans 3

4:35 left in the half.

Big Texas 09-23-2018 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrett (Post 47625)
There is no such thing as NFL football without pocket passing.

O'Brien looks like he's already lost the locker room, but calling pocket passes are not one of the dozen reasons he looks dumb right now.

I am referring to the traditional drop back pocket passer. Deshaun Watson does not have the experience nor the offensive line to drop back and go through his reads...

Roll outs, play fakes and even a little more TE involvment in the passing game would help.

So, football success CAN exist without the traditional pocket passer...

chuck 09-23-2018 01:15 PM

Let's just be clear. The Giants are TERRIBLE.

I haven't felt this way watching the Texans since the dark days of David Carr - that everyone else, even the shit teams, are playing NFL football but the Texans appear to be playing another sport entirely and it's hard to say just what it is. It's like watching five year olds play soccer, they just don't demonstrate any real understanding of what the objective of the game is.

barrett 09-23-2018 01:16 PM

The Giants are beating us with all these wild creative routes. Their guys keep turning in and going over the middle!

Arky 09-23-2018 01:16 PM

Manning hits Ellison for a 16-yard TD.

Giants 20, Texans 3

1:20 left in the half.

Big Texas 09-23-2018 01:18 PM

Hey theres a TE

barrett 09-23-2018 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Texas (Post 47629)
I am referring to the traditional drop back pocket passer. Deshaun Watson does not have the experience nor the offensive line to drop back and go through his reads...

Roll outs, play fakes and even a little more TE involvment in the passing game would help.

So, football success CAN exist without the traditional pocket passer...

No it can't. You can go play action all day long (and we have). But on 3rd and long you have to be able to throw the ball from the pocket. Deshaun Watson can do that. In fact as I'm typing he did exactly that with a 30 yard rope down the seam. He's not a gimmick QB and when he fails on basic football plays, it's not because we should be running nothing but non-traditional offense.


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