Bob McNair

[chuck]

I'm not going to spend a lot of time with you on this because you have proven on countless occasions that you have neither the intellectual integrity nor the emotional maturity to engage productively on the subject. I'll just remind you that what organizations and individuals are pointing out is racism that is institutional. One reason we, in 2018, are still struggling with institutional racism is that powerful people continue to be racists, even people whose power largely stems from owning high profile businesses that operate via and profit largely from African American employees.

One of the most visible results of this institutional racism is the impunity with which police can and do murder citizens, a disproportionate number of whom are black men.

That is one example of many of why our society must punish high profile racists.

And on your blisteringly ignorant, Breitbart-level stupid ideas about shooting figures (I like how in your world BLM 'incites' rather than organizes protests), I'll just leave you with a headline:

Police fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, and 46 officers were killed, nationwide in 2017

https://tinyurl.com/ybukmjsl

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I'm not going to spend a lot of time with you on this because you have proven on countless occasions that you have neither the intellectual integrity nor the emotional maturity to engage productively on the subject. I'll just remind you that what organizations and individuals are pointing out is racism that is institutional. One reason we, in 2018, are still struggling with institutional racism is that powerful people continue to be racists, even people whose power largely stems from owning high profile businesses that operate via and profit largely from African American employees.

One of the most visible results of this institutional racism is the impunity with which police can and do murder citizens, a disproportionate number of whom are black men.

That is one example of many of why our society must punish high profile racists.

And on your blisteringly ignorant, Breitbart-level stupid ideas about shooting figures (I like how in your world BLM 'incites' rather than organizes protests), I'll just leave you with a headline:

Police fatally shot nearly 1,000 people, and 46 officers were killed, nationwide in 2017

https://tinyurl.com/ybukmjsl

As long as what you mean by 'punish racists' is boycott/punish economically/make them sell their money making football teams/etc... then I agree with you wholeheartedly. If you want to get rich owning football teams that spend tons of public money and take tons of tax breaks, then I hope you get economically crushed when your racism seeps out in public. But we absolutely cannot punish people legally for racist/sexist public comments.

We can punish Richardson for sexually harassing or racially discriminating against his employees (assuming the employees come forward instead of taking money). If the employees don't come forward but it comes out later then the best we can do is punish him with economic boycotts or a forced sale (for a reported $2.5 Billion. We should all be so punished).

Nothing McNair has said even approached any kind of legal punishment, but I do wish people would boycott to show him you can't just go around saying stuff like that.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

But we absolutely cannot punish people legally for racist/sexist public comments.

Of course not. People are free to say whatever dumbass shit they want.

People are not, however, free to assault employees sexually, which is one of the things Jerry did.

Also, while someone like Donald Sterling or Jerry Richardson (or McNeck) is free to be as big a racists shithead as he wants, the governing body of the league with which his team is affiliated is free to have statutes that discipline certain things that may be perfectly legally permissible in T̶e̶x̶a̶s̶ society at large.

I love how McNeck thinks that pussy grabbing is okey-dokey as long as you pay them off. Christ, I'm ready for these people to gtf away.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

Of course not. People are free to say whatever dumbass shit they want.

People are not, however, free to assault employees sexually, which is one of the things Jerry did.

Also, while someone like Donald Sterling or Jerry Richardson (or McNeck) is free to be as big a racists shithead as he wants, the governing body of the league with which his team is affiliated is free to have statutes that discipline certain things that may be perfectly legally permissible in T̶e̶x̶a̶s̶ society at large.

I love how McNeck thinks that pussy grabbing is okey-dokey as long as you pay them off. Christ, I'm ready for these people to gtf away.

It's one of the things he probably did. McNair's attempted point was that rich people pay off things like that because it's cheaper whether they did it or not. Maybe that's true on occasion. Since there was never a trial or even a legal accusation I won't weigh in. Whatever the circumstances it is more than enough that he should immediately lose his football team because of how he represented the NFL. According to the NFL an accusation and no payoff was enough to suspend Ezekiel Elliott for almost half a season. But Elliott is a black 'inmate' so it's no surprise that the 'wardens' hypocrisy allows them to punish him but not themselves.

But defending sexual assault that you are unconnected to is beyond stupid. In what world does a person wake up and say 'today I think I'll remind people that we need to be nicer to that guy who paid off sexual assault allegations.' I'm not sure what's worse, the fact that McNair believes that or the fact that he thinks it's ok to say it. I feel the same way about his inmates comment. I'm stumped by whether it's worse that he's casually racist or if it's worse that he is so comfortable being casually racist and thinks our world will accept it.

[HPF Bob]

I went back to the original SI article about Jerry Richardson and I don't see where his actions merit the word "assault". Is asking a woman how she fits into her tight jeans now "assault"? Crude, yes. But this is simply words, not rape. He would write comments to the ladies in the office about their looks and include a small gift to buy dinner or a dress. Awkward, yes. RAPE??? No.

Richardson did ask for some kinda icky things like asking an employee to come to his suite during a game to massage his feet. But, geez, the guy is in his 80s. She could have easily said 'no'.

Barrett is totally correct that men of wealth and power use money to buy off what, to others, seems rude or indiscreet. People (both sexes) decide if it is worth demeaning themselves to perform their boss' request or lose that "cool job" they have working for a sports team.

I've had to swallow my pride a few times when a boss demanded something I thought was unfair or unreasonable. But I always had the option of telling a boss "screw it" and quitting. So do these folks.

Should a football player get paid a couple of million and endure a few off-color jokes by the boss or should he quit and go back to washing cars or hauling trash? Ask Eric Reed how that's working out.

Unfair? As Jimmy Carter once opined, "Life is unfair".

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I went back to the original SI article about Jerry Richardson and I don't see where his actions merit the word "assault". Is asking a woman how she fits into her tight jeans now "assault"? Crude, yes. But this is simply words, not rape. He would write comments to the ladies in the office about their looks and include a small gift to buy dinner or a dress. Awkward, yes. RAPE??? No.

Richardson did ask for some kinda icky things like asking an employee to come to his suite during a game to massage his feet. But, geez, the guy is in his 80s. She could have easily said 'no'.

Barrett is totally correct that men of wealth and power use money to buy off what, to others, seems rude or indiscreet. People (both sexes) decide if it is worth demeaning themselves to perform their boss' request or lose that "cool job" they have working for a sports team.

I've had to swallow my pride a few times when a boss demanded something I thought was unfair or unreasonable. But I always had the option of telling a boss "screw it" and quitting. So do these folks.

Should a football player get paid a couple of million and endure a few off-color jokes by the boss or should he quit and go back to washing cars or hauling trash? Ask Eric Reed how that's working out.

Unfair? As Jimmy Carter once opined, "Life is unfair".

That's a pathetic take Bob.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

That's a pathetic take Bob.

When I was talking about intellectual integrity and emotional maturity this was EXACTLY what I was referring to. There's no merit to a response beyond yours.