Hoyer Named Starting QB [Benched Week 2 - Mallett to Start]

[barrett]

I want nothing to do with Barkley or Glennon. Both are terrible. I'd be after Mettenberger if I was after any young backup.

I like Savage, but think he has a chance to grow into Mallett/Hoyer/Fitz. Nothing makes me think he has a chance to be more.

As long as we put band-aids on QBs we will never be relevant in January. Delaying years to do it is a real head scratcher.

[Joshua]

I like O'Brien and think he is probably a pretty good coach. But right now he's failing his most important job requirement of finding a long term QB. Maybe he was a victim of circumstances and never had an opportunity to snag a decent signal caller but right now, I don't see how we can reasonably expect to get decent QB before 2017 at the earliest. This year will be another caretaker year just like last year. Maybe we'll finally use a meaningful draft pick next year, but even if we do (and the kid pans out), it'll be a year or so before you can expect him to truly compete. Pretty depressing.

[HPF Bob]

Originally Posted by barrett

I'd be after Mettenberger if I was after any young backup.

That person doubled over in laughter over there is J.J. Watt.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

That person doubled over in laughter over there is J.J. Watt.

I'd rather JJ laugh than cry over a HOF wasted career on an also ran.

[HPF Bob]

Let's pause for a moment and remember who was in the Super Bowl last year and how they got their starting quarterbacks. Did either draft them in the first round? No. The year before, did either Super Bowl team draft their quarterback in the first round? No. The year before that, did either Super Bowl team draft their quarterback in the first round? Yes, one did but the other didn't.

We've had three chances to take a QB at 1/1. In 2002, we took him and got a guy that will never be a championship quarterback. In 2006, we passed up Vince Young and Matt Leinart (and Jay Cutler) for a guy that's no longer with the team. Last year, we passed up Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel for someone we hope will finally showcase his once-ridiculous talent.

And what of the teams that took Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Alex Smith....any rings?

The guys we have here now know defense wins championships and they're going all in on defense. Yeah, it sucks to have mediocre talent at QB but you can win in the NFL with that until the right QB for the system comes along. And you can get that right guy in trade, or the second round or free agency. In the meantime, we're building a lights-out defense if all the pieces come together.

I'm not giving up this season. We've got a ridiculously easy schedule and we can still be better than .500 if we just beat the teams we should and pull an upset or two. We probably won't get over on the Colts but we can be a playoff team in Year Two with the talent we have if things break right.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Let's pause for a moment and remember who was in the Super Bowl last year and how they got their starting quarterbacks. Did either draft them in the first round? No. The year before, did either Super Bowl team draft their quarterback in the first round? No. The year before that, did either Super Bowl team draft their quarterback in the first round? Yes, one did but the other didn't.

We've had three chances to take a QB at 1/1. In 2002, we took him and got a guy that will never be a championship quarterback. In 2006, we passed up Vince Young and Matt Leinart (and Jay Cutler) for a guy that's no longer with the team. Last year, we passed up Bridgewater, Bortles and Manziel for someone we hope will finally showcase his once-ridiculous talent.

And what of the teams that took Cam Newton, Jamarcus Russell, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan, Alex Smith....any rings?

The guys we have here now know defense wins championships and they're going all in on defense. Yeah, it sucks to have mediocre talent at QB but you can win in the NFL with that until the right QB for the system comes along. And you can get that right guy in trade, or the second round or free agency. In the meantime, we're building a lights-out defense if all the pieces come together.

I'm not giving up this season. We've got a ridiculously easy schedule and we can still be better than .500 if we just beat the teams we should and pull an upset or two. We probably won't get over on the Colts but we can be a playoff team in Year Two with the talent we have if things break right.

Nobody said anything about a 1st round QB. If we have a Tom Brady or a Russel Wilson I'll take it no matter what round they were drafted in. But Mallet is entering year 5 and Hoyer is entering year 7. Wilson and Brady were low draft picks but both were Super Bowl champs and Pro Bowlers by year 5. Hoyer and Mallett are what they are and the existence of two great QBs not taken in round 1 doesn't change that.

[HPF Bob]

Joshua is hinting we'll be too good to draft a premier QB until 2017 at the soonest.

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Joshua is hinting we'll be too good to draft a premier QB until 2017 at the soonest.

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that all we've tried with the QB position are retreads (Fitz, Hoyer) and extremely low probability gambles (Mallett, Savage, etc.). The position is too important to basically hope for a miracle, which is all that we've done for the last 2 years. Instead, we used the first pick of the 2nd round on XSF, who plays arguably the lowest position of value on the football field and will make virtually no impact on the win total even if he pans out (which right now does not look good).


My point about 2017 was that, even if we spend a high draft pick next year (1st or 2nd round), he'll still be a rookie in 2016 so you can't expect too much from him. Thus, I don't see any reasonable way we can expect quality QB play any earlier than 2017.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

I want nothing to do with Barkley or Glennon. Both are terrible. I'd be after Mettenberger if I was after any young backup.

I'd be all for Mettenberger as he's shown more (to me at least) than Barkley and Glennon and I think he's better than Mallett and Savage, and will be better than Hoyer - if not already. I didn't throw his name out there because I don't think the Titans would even consider trading him to us, and if they did considered it, the price would be higher for us than other teams since we're in the same division and the risk would be huge for them. It would be higher than I'd want to spend. I'd still be willing to take a shot with Barkley or Glennon if the price is low. We seem to burn late round picks anyway so why not take a chance?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

I'd be all for Mettenberger as he's shown more (to me at least) than Barkley and Glennon and I think he's better than Mallett and Savage, and will be better than Hoyer - if not already. I didn't throw his name out there because I don't think the Titans would even consider trading him to us, and if they did considered it, the price would be higher for us than other teams since we're in the same division and the risk would be huge for them. It would be higher than I'd want to spend. I'd still be willing to take a shot with Barkley or Glennon if the price is low. We seem to burn late round picks anyway so why not take a chance?

That makes sense. I still wouldn't touch Barkley. His stock/play has gone downhill every year since his freshman year of college. He is about to lose the 3rd string battle to Tebow and get cut.

Glennon has shown hoyer-like flashes of competence. But I don't trade for a guy with almost no chance to be better than the two guys I already have. I like savage's potential far more than those two.

As for acquiring a QB, I feel like we need to either invest heavily (high pick, rare FA, Big trade), or we need to be buying more lottery tickets. But entering a season with 3 guys whose ceilings don't exceed serviceable seems dumb.