How Tight is the QB Leash? Or is Schaub Just Too Conservative?

[cadams]

Originally Posted by barrett

McElroy (mccarron is alabama's QB).

thanks for the correction. i was thinking that sounded a little off.

[Nconroe]

Ranking QB discussion
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...es-eli-almost-

I think its a little off with Schaub at 23.

What do ya'll think?

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Ranking QB discussion
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...es-eli-almost-

I think its a little off with Schaub at 23.

What do ya'll think?

You could quibble with this some but I think everyone agrees that Schaub is essentially a mid-level QB and whether he's 23 or 17 in some random list is largely irrelevant. However, it is the offseason so we gotta talk about something.

To me, I think the biggest frustration with Schaub actually arises out of something he had nothing to do with. For the first 3-4 years of Schaub's time here, there were a handful of truly elite QBs, most of whom had been on top for a while (obviously Peyton and Brady, and to a lesser extent Brees and Rodgers). There was also the second tier guys (Big Ben, Eli, Rivers). For the most part, these guys were untouchable and the Texans never had a chance to get any of them. In other words, it sucked that we didn't have one of the great QBs in the league, but we never had a shot at any of them anyway and Schaub was about as good as anyone we realistically could have gotten.

However, in the last couple years, there has been an influx of new blood in some good, young QBs, several of whom the Texans clearly could have gotten if they wanted. This is where the frustration lies IMO. It was one thing to be resigned to the fact that we would never have Brady. It's another to see us stand pat with Schaub while teams like San Fran and Seattle find guys like Kaepernick and Wilson in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

[Nconroe]

So, just discussing, here are some 2012 stats at yahoo sports
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?
pos=QB&conference=NFL&year=season_2012&sort=41&tim eframe=ToDate

Schaub seems to be in top 10 for most categories For 2012 in QB Rating, and percent completions, least sacks, least fumbles, least interceptions,

Ahead of Romo, Flaco, Eli, Rivers, Newton, and many more in several categories of statistics.

Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Aaron Rodgers GNB 16 108.0 371 552 67.2 4295 268.4 7.8 39 8 54 259 16.2 4.8 2 51 293 5 4
Peyton Manning DEN 16 105.8 400 583 68.6 4659 291.2 8.0 37 11 23 6 0.4 0.3 0 21 137 2 2
Robert Griffin III WAS 15 102.4 258 393 65.6 3200 213.3 8.1 20 5 120 815 54.3 6.8 7 30 217 12 2
Russell Wilson SEA 16 100.0 252 393 64.1 3118 194.9 7.9 26 10 94 489 30.6 5.2 4 33 203 6 3
Matt Ryan ATL 16 99.1 422 615 68.6 4719 294.9 7.7 32 14 34 141 8.8 4.1 1 28 210 3 2
Tom Brady NWE 16 98.7 401 637 63.0 4827 301.7 7.6 34 8 23 32 2.0 1.4 4 27 182 2 0
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 13 97.0 284 449 63.3 3265 251.2 7.3 26 8 26 92 7.1 3.5 0 30 182 6 3
Drew Brees NOR 16 96.3 422 670 63.0 5177 323.6 7.7 43 19 15 5 0.3 0.3 1 26 190 5 1
Matt Schaub HOU 16 90.7 350 544 64.3 4008 250.5 7.4 22 12 21 -9 -0.6 -0.4 0 27 216 4 0
Tony Romo DAL 16 90.5 425 648 65.6 4903 306.4 7.6 28 19 30 49 3.1 1.6 1 36 263 6 3
Philip Rivers SDG 16 88.6 338 527 64.1 3606 225.4 6.8 26 15 27 40 2.5 1.5 0 49 311 15 7
Joe Flacco BAL 16 87.7 317 531 59.7 3817 238.6 7.2 22 10 32 22 1.4 0.7 3 35 227 8 4
Andy Dalton CIN 16 87.4 329 528 62.3 3669 229.3 6.9 27 16 47 120 7.5 2.6 4 46 229 4 4
Eli Manning NYG 16 87.2 321 536 59.9 3948 246.8 7.4 26 15 20 30 1.9 1.5 0 19 136 5 1
Cam Newton CAR 16 86.2 280 485 57.7 3869 241.8 8.0 19 12 127 741 46.3 5.8 8 36 244 10 3

[Nconroe]

Then for 2011, similar, but Schaub was 6th best QB rating, rather than 9th in 2012, Flaco was down in the mid-range

Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Aaron Rodgers GNB 15 122.5 343 502 68.3 4643 309.5 9.2 45 6 60 257 17.1 4.3 3 36 219 4 0
Drew Brees NOR 16 110.6 468 657 71.2 5476 342.3 8.3 46 14 21 86 5.4 4.1 1 24 158 1 1
Tom Brady NWE 16 105.6 401 611 65.6 5235 327.2 8.6 39 12 43 109 6.8 2.5 3 32 173 6 2
Tony Romo DAL 16 102.5 346 522 66.3 4184 261.5 8.0 31 10 22 46 2.9 2.1 1 36 227 6 3
Matthew Stafford DET 16 97.2 421 663 63.5 5038 314.9 7.6 41 16 22 78 4.9 3.5 0 36 257 5 1
Matt Schaub HOU 10 96.8 178 292 61.0 2479 247.9 8.5 15 6 15 9 0.9 0.6 2 16 98 3 1
Eli Manning NYG 16 92.9 359 589 61.0 4933 308.3 8.4 29 16 35 15 0.9 0.4 1 28 199 8 4
Matt Ryan ATL 16 92.2 347 566 61.3 4177 261.1 7.4 29 12 37 84 5.3 2.3 2 26 173 5 3
Alex Smith SFO 16 90.7 273 445 61.3 3144 196.5 7.1 17 5 52 179 11.2 3.4 2 44 263 7 2
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 15 90.1 324 513 63.2 4077 271.8 7.9 21 14 31 70 4.7 2.3 0 40 269 8 5
Philip Rivers SDG 16 88.7 366 582 62.9 4624 289.0 7.9 27 20 26 36 2.3 1.4 1 30 198 9 5
Matt Moore MIA 13 87.1 210 347 60.5 2497 192.1 7.2 16 9 32 65 5.0 2.0 2 36 229 14 6
Jay Cutler CHI 10 85.7 182 314 58.0 2319 231.9 7.4 13 7 18 55 5.5 3.1 1 23 159 7 3
Michael Vick PHI 13 84.9 253 423 59.8 3303 254.1 7.8 18 14 76 589 45.3 7.8 1 23 126 10 4
Cam Newton CAR 16 84.5 310 517 60.0 4051 253.2 7.8 21 17 126 706 44.1 5.6 14 35 260 5 2
Matt Hasselbeck TEN 16 82.4 319 518 61.6 3571 223.2 6.9 18 14 20 52 3.3 2.6 0 19 153 4 1
Kevin Kolb ARI 9 81.1 146 253 57.7 1955 217.2 7.7 9 8 17 65 7.2 3.8 0 30 219 8 3
Joe Flacco BAL 16 80.9 312 542 57.6 3610 225.6 6.7 20 12 39 88 5.5 2.3 1 31 203 11 6

[Nconroe]

Then in 2011, Matt Schaub was 9th again, but had some other good stats, and QB rating was above Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.


Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Tom Brady NWE 16 111.0 324 492 65.9 3900 243.8 7.9 36 4 31 30 1.9 1.0 1 25 175 3 1
Philip Rivers SDG 16 101.8 357 541 66.0 4710 294.4 8.7 30 13 29 52 3.3 1.8 0 38 227 7 4
Aaron Rodgers GNB 15 101.2 312 475 65.7 3922 261.5 8.3 28 11 64 356 23.7 5.6 4 31 193 4 1
Michael Vick PHI 12 100.2 233 372 62.6 3018 251.5 8.1 21 6 100 676 56.3 6.8 9 34 210 11 3
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 12 97.0 240 389 61.7 3200 266.7 8.2 17 5 34 176 14.7 5.2 2 32 220 7 3
Josh Freeman TAM 16 95.9 291 474 61.4 3451 215.7 7.3 25 6 68 364 22.8 5.4 0 28 195 7 3
Joe Flacco BAL 16 93.6 306 489 62.6 3622 226.4 7.4 25 10 43 84 5.3 2.0 1 40 294 9 4
Matt Cassel KAN 15 93.0 262 450 58.2 3116 207.7 6.9 27 7 33 125 8.3 3.8 0 26 182 3 1
Matt Schaub HOU 16 92.0 365 574 63.6 4370 273.1 7.6 24 12 22 28 1.8 1.3 0 32 226 9 3
Peyton Manning IND 16 91.9 450 679 66.3 4700 293.8 6.9 33 17 18 18 1.1 1.0 0 16 91 3 1
Matt Ryan ATL 16 91.0 357 571 62.5 3705 231.6 6.5 28 9 46 122 7.6 2.7 0 23 158 4 3
Drew Brees NOR 16 90.9 448 658 68.1 4620 288.8 7.0 33 22 18 -3 -0.2 -0.2 0 25 185 9 2
David Garrard JAC 14 90.8 236 366 64.5 2734 195.3 7.5 23 15 66 279 19.9 4.2 5 33 253 11 4
Jon Kitna DAL 10 88.9 209 318 65.7 2365 236.5 7.4 16 12 31 147 14.7 4.7 1 21 100 7 1
Kyle Orton DEN 13 87.5 293 498 58.8 3653 281.0 7.3 20 9 22 98 7.5 4.5 0 34 243 4 4
Jay Cutler CHI 15 86.3 261 432 60.4 3274 218.3 7.6 23 16 50 232 15.5 4.6 1 52 352 10 6
Eli Manning NYG 16 85.3 339 539 62.9 4002 250.1 7.4 31 25 32 70 4.4 2.2 0 16 117 7 5

[Nconroe]

And 2009, Schaub was up at 6, several top QB way below that.

Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Drew Brees NOR 15 109.6 363 514 70.6 4388 292.5 8.5 34 11 22 33 2.2 1.5 2 20 135 9 6
Brett Favre MIN 16 107.2 363 531 68.4 4202 262.6 7.9 33 7 9 7 0.4 0.8 0 34 247 2 2
Philip Rivers SDG 16 104.4 317 486 65.2 4254 265.9 8.8 28 9 26 50 3.1 1.9 1 25 167 6 3
Aaron Rodgers GNB 16 103.2 350 541 64.7 4434 277.1 8.2 30 7 58 316 19.8 5.4 5 50 306 10 4
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 15 100.5 337 506 66.6 4328 288.5 8.6 26 12 40 82 5.5 2.1 2 50 348 7 3
Peyton Manning IND 16 99.9 393 571 68.8 4500 281.3 7.9 33 16 19 -13 -0.8 -0.7 0 10 74 2 0
Matt Schaub HOU 16 98.6 396 583 67.9 4770 298.1 8.2 29 15 48 57 3.6 1.2 0 25 149 3 2
Tony Romo DAL 16 97.6 347 550 63.1 4483 280.2 8.2 26 9 35 105 6.6 3.0 1 34 196 5 4
Tom Brady NWE 16 96.2 371 565 65.7 4398 274.9 7.8 28 13 29 44 2.8 1.5 1 16 86 4 2
Kurt Warner ARI 15 93.2 339 513 66.1 3753 250.2 7.3 26 14 21 10 0.7 0.5 0 24 172 11 6
Eli Manning NYG 16 93.1 317 509 62.3 4021 251.3 7.9 27 14 17 65 4.1 3.8 0 30 216 13 8
Donovan McNabb PHI 14 92.9 267 443 60.3 3553 253.8 8.0 22 10 37 140 10.0 3.8 2 35 264 10 3
Joe Flacco BAL 16 88.9 315 499 63.1 3613 225.8 7.2 21 12 35 56 3.5 1.6 0 36 218 8 2
Kyle Orton DEN 16 86.8 336 541 62.1 3802 237.6 7.0 21 12 24 71 4.4 3.0 0 29 159 4 2
Jason Campbell WAS 16 86.4 327 507 64.5 3618 226.1 7.1 20 15 46 236 14.8 5.1 1 43 285 11 3
Carson Palmer CIN 16 83.6 282 466 60.5 3094 193.4 6.6 21 13 39 93 5.8 2.4 3 26 213 6 2
David Garrard JAC 16 83.5 314 516 60.9 3597 224.8 7.0 15 10 77 323 20.2 4.2 3 42 236 14 8
Vince Young TEN 12 82.8 152 259 58.7 1879 156.6 7.3 10 7 55 281 23.4 5.1 2 9 36 8 2
Alex Smith SFO 11 81.5 225 372 60.5 2350 213.6 6.3 18 12 24 51 4.6 2.1 0 22 134 2 1
Matt Ryan ATL 14 80.9 263 451 58.3 2916 208.3 6.5 22 14 30 49 3.5 1.6 1 19 92 5 2

[Nconroe]

Going back to 2008, few different names at top, but Schaub still there 7.


Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Philip Rivers SDG 16 105.5 312 478 65.3 4009 250.6 8.4 34 11 31 84 5.3 2.7 0 25 151 8 4
Chad Pennington MIA 16 97.4 321 476 67.4 3653 228.3 7.7 19 7 30 62 3.9 2.1 1 24 121 3 1
Kurt Warner ARI 16 96.9 401 598 67.1 4583 286.4 7.7 30 14 18 -2 -0.1 -0.1 0 26 182 11 7
Drew Brees NOR 16 96.2 413 635 65.0 5069 316.8 8.0 34 17 22 -1 -0.1 -0.0 0 13 92 6 1
Peyton Manning IND 16 95.0 371 555 66.8 4002 250.1 7.2 27 12 20 21 1.3 1.1 1 14 86 1 0
Aaron Rodgers GNB 16 93.8 341 536 63.6 4038 252.4 7.5 28 13 56 207 12.9 3.7 4 34 231 9 3
Matt Schaub HOU 11 92.7 251 380 66.1 3043 276.6 8.0 15 10 31 68 6.2 2.2 2 23 149 10 4
Tony Romo DAL 13 91.4 276 450 61.3 3448 265.2 7.7 26 14 28 41 3.2 1.5 0 20 123 12 7
Jeff Garcia TAM 12 90.2 244 376 64.9 2712 226.0 7.2 12 6 35 148 12.3 4.2 1 23 100 7 2
Matt Cassel NWE 16 89.4 327 516 63.4 3693 230.8 7.2 21 11 73 270 16.9 3.7 2 47 219 7 4
Matt Ryan ATL 16 87.7 265 434 61.1 3440 215.0 7.9 16 11 55 104 6.5 1.9 1 17 104 6 1
Shaun Hill SFO 9 87.5 181 288 62.8 2046 227.3 7.1 13 8 24 115 12.8 4.8 2 23 148 8 2
Seneca Wallace SEA 10 87.0 141 242 58.3 1532 153.2 6.3 11 3 16 78 7.8 4.9 0 14 76 4 3
Eli Manning NYG 16 86.4 289 479 60.3 3238 202.4 6.8 21 10 20 10 0.6 0.5 1 27 174 5 2
Donovan McNabb PHI 16 86.4 345 571 60.4 3916 244.8 6.9 23 11 39 147 9.2 3.8 2 23 149 7 5
Jay Cutler DEN 16 86.0 384 616 62.3 4526 282.9 7.3 25 18 57 200 12.5 3.5 2 11 69 5 2
Trent Edwards BUF 14 85.4 245 374 65.5 2699 192.8 7.2 11 10 36 117 8.4 3.3 3 23 143 9 5
Jake Delhomme CAR 16 84.7 246 414 59.4 3288 205.5 7.9 15 12 20 21 1.3 1.1 2 20 130 5 3
Jason Campbell WAS 16 84.3 315 506 62.3 3245 202.8 6.4 13 6 47 258 16.1 5.5 1 38 266 6 1
David Garrard JAC 16 81.7 335 535 62.6 3620 226.3 6.8 15 13 73 322 20.1 4.4 2 42 288 7 3
Brett Favre NYJ 16 81.0 343 522 65.7 3472 217.0 6.7 22 22 21 43 2.7 2.0 1 30 213 10 2
Joe Flacco BAL 16 80.3 257 428 60.0 2971 185.7 6.9 14 12 52 180 11.3 3.5 2 32 276 11 2