How Tight is the QB Leash? Or is Schaub Just Too Conservative?

[cadams]

i don't think schaub is the guy to get the texans to the super bowl after this playoff run either, but what about kolb's time in arizona makes anyone think he would be a better option than schaub? is this just because he is from UofH and people are more familiar with him? i don't see kolb as any better than the third string qb for the jets, mccarron, and i don't hear anyone talking about trying to get him. there definitely has to be some homerism in the kolb talk. not saying that to offend anyone, but kolb has sucked ever since being given the starting spot in arizona.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by cadams

i don't think schaub is the guy to get the texans to the super bowl after this playoff run either, but what about kolb's time in arizona makes anyone think he would be a better option than schaub? is this just because he is from UofH and people are more familiar with him? i don't see kolb as any better than the third string qb for the jets, mccarron, and i don't hear anyone talking about trying to get him. there definitely has to be some homerism in the kolb talk. not saying that to offend anyone, but kolb has sucked ever since being given the starting spot in arizona.

Kolb was brought up as a leinhart type reclamation (broken confidence but once thought talented and could use a year as a backup to rebuild a career under a great QB tutor). I've seen nobody mention him as a replacement.

And he went 4-1 last year and Arizona was 0-11 the rest of the season. That along with being a former 2nd rounder is why he is thought of higher than McElroy (mccarron is alabama's QB).

[cadams]

Originally Posted by barrett

McElroy (mccarron is alabama's QB).

thanks for the correction. i was thinking that sounded a little off.

[Nconroe]

Ranking QB discussion
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...es-eli-almost-

I think its a little off with Schaub at 23.

What do ya'll think?

[Joshua]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Ranking QB discussion
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...es-eli-almost-

I think its a little off with Schaub at 23.

What do ya'll think?

You could quibble with this some but I think everyone agrees that Schaub is essentially a mid-level QB and whether he's 23 or 17 in some random list is largely irrelevant. However, it is the offseason so we gotta talk about something.

To me, I think the biggest frustration with Schaub actually arises out of something he had nothing to do with. For the first 3-4 years of Schaub's time here, there were a handful of truly elite QBs, most of whom had been on top for a while (obviously Peyton and Brady, and to a lesser extent Brees and Rodgers). There was also the second tier guys (Big Ben, Eli, Rivers). For the most part, these guys were untouchable and the Texans never had a chance to get any of them. In other words, it sucked that we didn't have one of the great QBs in the league, but we never had a shot at any of them anyway and Schaub was about as good as anyone we realistically could have gotten.

However, in the last couple years, there has been an influx of new blood in some good, young QBs, several of whom the Texans clearly could have gotten if they wanted. This is where the frustration lies IMO. It was one thing to be resigned to the fact that we would never have Brady. It's another to see us stand pat with Schaub while teams like San Fran and Seattle find guys like Kaepernick and Wilson in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

[Nconroe]

So, just discussing, here are some 2012 stats at yahoo sports
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/byposition?
pos=QB&conference=NFL&year=season_2012&sort=41&tim eframe=ToDate

Schaub seems to be in top 10 for most categories For 2012 in QB Rating, and percent completions, least sacks, least fumbles, least interceptions,

Ahead of Romo, Flaco, Eli, Rivers, Newton, and many more in several categories of statistics.

Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Aaron Rodgers GNB 16 108.0 371 552 67.2 4295 268.4 7.8 39 8 54 259 16.2 4.8 2 51 293 5 4
Peyton Manning DEN 16 105.8 400 583 68.6 4659 291.2 8.0 37 11 23 6 0.4 0.3 0 21 137 2 2
Robert Griffin III WAS 15 102.4 258 393 65.6 3200 213.3 8.1 20 5 120 815 54.3 6.8 7 30 217 12 2
Russell Wilson SEA 16 100.0 252 393 64.1 3118 194.9 7.9 26 10 94 489 30.6 5.2 4 33 203 6 3
Matt Ryan ATL 16 99.1 422 615 68.6 4719 294.9 7.7 32 14 34 141 8.8 4.1 1 28 210 3 2
Tom Brady NWE 16 98.7 401 637 63.0 4827 301.7 7.6 34 8 23 32 2.0 1.4 4 27 182 2 0
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 13 97.0 284 449 63.3 3265 251.2 7.3 26 8 26 92 7.1 3.5 0 30 182 6 3
Drew Brees NOR 16 96.3 422 670 63.0 5177 323.6 7.7 43 19 15 5 0.3 0.3 1 26 190 5 1
Matt Schaub HOU 16 90.7 350 544 64.3 4008 250.5 7.4 22 12 21 -9 -0.6 -0.4 0 27 216 4 0
Tony Romo DAL 16 90.5 425 648 65.6 4903 306.4 7.6 28 19 30 49 3.1 1.6 1 36 263 6 3
Philip Rivers SDG 16 88.6 338 527 64.1 3606 225.4 6.8 26 15 27 40 2.5 1.5 0 49 311 15 7
Joe Flacco BAL 16 87.7 317 531 59.7 3817 238.6 7.2 22 10 32 22 1.4 0.7 3 35 227 8 4
Andy Dalton CIN 16 87.4 329 528 62.3 3669 229.3 6.9 27 16 47 120 7.5 2.6 4 46 229 4 4
Eli Manning NYG 16 87.2 321 536 59.9 3948 246.8 7.4 26 15 20 30 1.9 1.5 0 19 136 5 1
Cam Newton CAR 16 86.2 280 485 57.7 3869 241.8 8.0 19 12 127 741 46.3 5.8 8 36 244 10 3

[Nconroe]

Then for 2011, similar, but Schaub was 6th best QB rating, rather than 9th in 2012, Flaco was down in the mid-range

Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Rush Yds Y/G Avg TD Sack YdsL Fum FumL
Aaron Rodgers GNB 15 122.5 343 502 68.3 4643 309.5 9.2 45 6 60 257 17.1 4.3 3 36 219 4 0
Drew Brees NOR 16 110.6 468 657 71.2 5476 342.3 8.3 46 14 21 86 5.4 4.1 1 24 158 1 1
Tom Brady NWE 16 105.6 401 611 65.6 5235 327.2 8.6 39 12 43 109 6.8 2.5 3 32 173 6 2
Tony Romo DAL 16 102.5 346 522 66.3 4184 261.5 8.0 31 10 22 46 2.9 2.1 1 36 227 6 3
Matthew Stafford DET 16 97.2 421 663 63.5 5038 314.9 7.6 41 16 22 78 4.9 3.5 0 36 257 5 1
Matt Schaub HOU 10 96.8 178 292 61.0 2479 247.9 8.5 15 6 15 9 0.9 0.6 2 16 98 3 1
Eli Manning NYG 16 92.9 359 589 61.0 4933 308.3 8.4 29 16 35 15 0.9 0.4 1 28 199 8 4
Matt Ryan ATL 16 92.2 347 566 61.3 4177 261.1 7.4 29 12 37 84 5.3 2.3 2 26 173 5 3
Alex Smith SFO 16 90.7 273 445 61.3 3144 196.5 7.1 17 5 52 179 11.2 3.4 2 44 263 7 2
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 15 90.1 324 513 63.2 4077 271.8 7.9 21 14 31 70 4.7 2.3 0 40 269 8 5
Philip Rivers SDG 16 88.7 366 582 62.9 4624 289.0 7.9 27 20 26 36 2.3 1.4 1 30 198 9 5
Matt Moore MIA 13 87.1 210 347 60.5 2497 192.1 7.2 16 9 32 65 5.0 2.0 2 36 229 14 6
Jay Cutler CHI 10 85.7 182 314 58.0 2319 231.9 7.4 13 7 18 55 5.5 3.1 1 23 159 7 3
Michael Vick PHI 13 84.9 253 423 59.8 3303 254.1 7.8 18 14 76 589 45.3 7.8 1 23 126 10 4
Cam Newton CAR 16 84.5 310 517 60.0 4051 253.2 7.8 21 17 126 706 44.1 5.6 14 35 260 5 2
Matt Hasselbeck TEN 16 82.4 319 518 61.6 3571 223.2 6.9 18 14 20 52 3.3 2.6 0 19 153 4 1
Kevin Kolb ARI 9 81.1 146 253 57.7 1955 217.2 7.7 9 8 17 65 7.2 3.8 0 30 219 8 3
Joe Flacco BAL 16 80.9 312 542 57.6 3610 225.6 6.7 20 12 39 88 5.5 2.3 1 31 203 11 6