[Split Thread] What to Do About Posey?

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

You've made judgments on two players before we reach game 1..

Maybe I'm missing something here... Isn't OTA's, Training Camp, practices and preseason there to make player assesments and to define the final roster? Not saying they can make a full assesment by then or he can't develop, but what I am syaing is that if he's not one the best 53 players (or 5~6 best WRs), then he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot and he should go to the PS.

Originally Posted by barrett

As for posey, he is a year out of football and you don't draft a guy like that if you can't be patient. As for why you don't cut a 3rd rounder, it's not about what McNair thinks or how long is left on your contract. The reason you don't cut a 3rd rounder before game 1 is because it's stupid.

It's stupid to cut someone who can help the team and keep a someone who might never help your team. Your opinion is to keep him, but mine is he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot right now. And yes, if it was my decision I'd expose him to waivers and IR or PS him. However, it's not my decision so I'm good with whatever they decide. Hopefully he gets better - and soon.

[Nconroe]

Last year Texans kept 3/4 TE, 1/2 FB, 4 RB, 3 QB, that 4th TE and 4th RB sure didn't play much. So some flexibility. Posey has gotten plenty good reviews by coaches and teammates , just way 2 practice games went there wasn't much chance to show anything. Cutting to 53 will be tough, so we will see in about two weeks.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Maybe I'm missing something here... Isn't OTA's, Training Camp, practices and preseason there to make player assesments and to define the final roster? Not saying they can make a full assesment by then or he can't develop, but what I am syaing is that if he's not one the best 53 players (or 5~6 best WRs), then he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot and he should go to the PS.

It's stupid to cut someone who can help the team and keep a someone who might never help your team. Your opinion is to keep him, but mine is he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot right now. And yes, if it was my decision I'd expose him to waivers and IR or PS him. However, it's not my decision so I'm good with whatever they decide. Hopefully he gets better - and soon.

Did you watch OTA's, training camp, practices and preseason? Or did you catch two preseason games on TV and maybe a public practice here or there?

I am willing to bet that the guys who watched all those things don't cut him.

It would be the height of stupidity for our front office and coaches to draft a project in the 3rd round and then cut him before week 1 because he's a project.

[Nconroe]

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

The players association rejected that proposed rule change today. They also rejected pushing the trade deadline back 2 weeks.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

Did you watch OTA's, training camp, practices and preseason? Or did you catch two preseason games on TV and maybe a public practice here or there?

I am willing to bet that the guys who watched all those things don't cut him.

It would be the height of stupidity for our front office and coaches to draft a project in the 3rd round and then cut him before week 1 because he's a project.

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Posey not playing speaks volumes on him not being as ready as Jean and Martin. I think he'll be kept based on talent he shows in practice and that got him drafted. He still has to win 5th WR spot, but it doesn't look like he has much competition. I don't think Rick Smith lets his ego get in the way too much.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Stupidity and maybe hubris. Apparently they thought they had the perceptive skills to see something that nobody else could ? This guy is clearly a
cut that should be made right now, but the Texans won't pull the trigger now because of the investment made in him in the form of the third-round pick.

[barrett]

Unless you guys bashed the pick when it was made I don't get why you are so bothered now. It was a project pick from the start. From the start it was clear that Posey wasn't contributing anytime soon. He has limited football experience and a long layoff. The Texans obviously thought he was worth the risk and they are likely evaluating him with a different eye than if they expected him to immediately contribute. Our #4 WR does not even play in this offense. I don't even know if our #5 was active every week last season. Whoever is the #5 will be the 8th best option in the passing game at best.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

Unless you guys bashed the pick when it was made I don't get why you are so bothered now.

Considering who was on the board, and the Texans' needs; I would have liked them to draft OT Bobbie Massie. But, then again, he lasted until the 4th round when the Cardinals drafted him. So, who knows? I believed Massie would be an upgrade over Butler or Newton.

[Joshua]

I guess I'm a little perplexed by the Posey hatred as well. Like Barrett said, I think everyone knew this guy was going to be something of a project. Plus, we're talking about 3 preseason games. If he had went out there and made a handful of catches (let's say he had caught 6 balls for 41 yards over the 3 games), would that have made some big difference in y'all's minds?

[HPF Bob]

There were a ton of WRs that had 3-4 round projections and, yes, I was surprised that they went with Posey since the Texans typically look for boy scouts without suspensions and other character issues.

After Posey was taken, the following WRs were selected:
69. T.J. Graham, NC State
83. Mohammed Sanu, Rutgers (some had us taking him in the 1st)
92. T.Y. Hilton, Florida Int'l
96. Chris Givens, Wake Forest
100. Travis Benjamin, Miami
104. Joe Adams, Arkansas
107. Devon Wylie, Fresno St.
118. Jarius Wright, Arkansas
123. Keshawn Martin, Michigan St. (by the Texans)
124. Nick Toon, Wisconsin
134. Greg Childs, Arkansas

My point being that even without considering other positions (and clearly the Texans were overdue to take a WR by this point in the draft), they had other options besides Posey and particularly so if they felt they wanted somebody who wouldn't take additional time to develop. I would have been happy with Sanu, Adams or Toon - all of which had been ranked much higher in a lot of mocks. Sanu already has a TD catch this preseason.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by Joshua

I guess I'm a little perplexed by the Posey hatred as well. Like Barrett said, I think everyone knew this guy was going to be something of a project. Plus, we're talking about 3 preseason games. If he had went out there and made a handful of catches (let's say he had caught 6 balls for 41 yards over the 3 games), would that have made some big difference in y'all's minds?

Probably. At least he would have shown us something. I don't hate Posey. I just don't think he currently deserves an active roster spot and should go on the PS where he can get all the reps and time he needs to develop. And again, IMO, if there's a team out there that puts in a claim for him, I don't think we'd miss him in the least. Some obviously think otherwise.