[Split Thread] What to Do About Posey?

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by barrett

Posey is not going to the practice squad. And he'd be picked up if he did. Not getting preseason playing time will not equal 31 other teams ignoring a 3rd round pick. Or our GM saying he blew a 3rd rounder before the guy ever plays.

Right. McNair would not be pleased if Rick Smith threw up his hands in despair and basically admitted he screwed-up. Certainly not this soon.
And we've also gotta have some questions about the other 3rd round pick, because Brooks was very disappointing Saturday. And how often do the Texans
go as high as a 3rd round pick for an interior OLineman ? It would seem they'd use a 3rd round pick on somebody who was more of a ZB type with more
impressive competition that what they see at Miami of Ohio ?

[Warren]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Right. McNair would not be pleased if Rick Smith threw up his hands in despair and basically admitted he screwed-up. Certainly not this soon.
And we've also gotta have some questions about the other 3rd round pick, because Brooks was very disappointing Saturday. And how often do the Texans
go as high as a 3rd round pick for an interior OLineman ? It would seem they'd use a 3rd round pick on somebody who was more of a ZB type with more
impressive competition that what they see at Miami of Ohio ?

Antoine Caldwell was a third rounder in 2009. As far as the competition that Brooks faced in college, the MAC isn't the SEC but it is a Division I-A (or FBS or whatever they call it now) conference and its members are attractive nonconference opponents for teams from the major conferences. Out of curiousity, I checked Miami of Ohio's schedule for the last four years and they played Florida, Boise State, Michigan, Missouri (twice), Cincinnati (four times), Northwestern, and Vanderbilt. He didn't go against future NFL players every week, but I'm sure he saw some.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Warren

Antoine Caldwell was a third rounder in 2009. As far as the competition that Brooks faced in college, the MAC isn't the SEC but it is a Division I-A (or FBS or whatever they call it now) conference and its members are attractive nonconference opponents for teams from the major conferences. Out of curiousity, I checked Miami of Ohio's schedule for the last four years and they played Florida, Boise State, Michigan, Missouri (twice), Cincinnati (four times), Northwestern, and Vanderbilt. He didn't go against future NFL players every week, but I'm sure he saw some.

But Caldwell was a multi-year starter at 'Bama where he saw better competition in the SEC every year than what you just clecked off with those schedule high-lights for Miami @ Ohio over a 4-year stretch. Actually Caldwell faced better competition in practice every day in Tuscaloosa than Brooks ever saw in his entire college career.
Now try to name another interior OLineman the Texans drafted higher than the 4th round besides Caldwell ? Then there's the fat-boy issue ?
I think 4th rounder Ben Jones is gonna give the Texans more help than Brooks will, certainly early on and they need help right now in the interior of the OLine.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

But Caldwell was a multi-year starter at 'Bama where he saw better competition in the SEC every year than what you just clecked off with those schedule high-lights for Miami @ Ohio over a 4-year stretch. Actually Caldwell faced better competition in practice every day in Tuscaloosa than Brooks ever saw in his entire college career.
Now try to name another interior OLineman the Texans drafted higher than the 4th round besides Caldwell ? Then there's the fat-boy issue ?
I think 4th rounder Ben Jones is gonna give the Texans more help than Brooks will, certainly early on and they need help right now in the interior of the OLine.

There’s no question that Caldwell faced better competition at Alabama than Brooks did at Miami (OH). But guards from Fresno State (Logan Mankins), North Texas (Brian Waters), and Bloomsburg (Jahri Evans) went to the Pro Bowl last year, so it’s not like playing in a BCS conference is an absolute prerequisite to NFL success at the position.

I was as surprised as anybody by the Brooks pick due to his apparent lack of fit for the scheme, but the Texans made it very clear after the draft that they thought he was agile enough to do what they ask their OL to do. He’s definitely got work to do (like most rookies), but we shall see. As far as Jones, I hope that he doesn’t have a big impact early on because that would mean that Myers is out.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Right. McNair would not be pleased if Rick Smith threw up his hands in despair and basically admitted he screwed-up.

Didn't Smith and Kubiak just get new contracts? I highly doubt this would bother McNair so much that he'd fire or discipline either one of them. McNair seems like a logical guy and I'm sure he understands sometimes you hit on a pick and sometimes you don't. He was here for Carr, afterall. If McNair wants to piss and moan about putting a disappointing 3rd rounder on the PS and exposing him to waivers, I think Smith would have a good argument bringing up guys he's hit on such as Foster, Jean, Dobbins, Martin, Yates, etc. That should ease McNair's mind and concerns.

As for actually putting Posey on the PS, there's what 'should' happen and what 'will' happen. I agree that egos will get in the way he likely 'will' get a roster spot. However, he doesn't deserve one and 'should' be put on the PS or sent to *cough* IR. I hope he turns it around, but I certainly wouldn't bet my lunch on it based on what we've seen and read at this point.

[barrett]

You guys are playing chicken little here.

You've made judgments on two players before we reach game 1. Brooks has been constantly praised by the coaches and they already consider him a threat to take caldwell's job. So clearly caldwell's Tuscaloosa practices didnt do much for him. I'm much more concerned about Caldwell than brooks.

As for posey, he is a year out of football and you don't draft a guy like that if you can't be patient. As for why you don't cut a 3rd rounder, it's not about what McNair thinks or how long is left on your contract. The reason you don't cut a 3rd rounder before game 1 is because it's stupid.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by barrett

You guys are playing chicken little here.

It's a message board during preseason, what are we supposed to do?

Yes, Brooks has been praised some, but Kubiak has also given constant reminders on how young he is, and how many mistakes he's making.

I agree, it would be tough for a 3rd rounder to get cut, and putting on the PS is just that, more or less. Not impossible, but tough. That's why I think they would go the IR route, IF he doesn't get a roster spot. I would guess that Kubiak would rather have a vet at the WR5 spot. Only downside to IR, and its a big one, is he can't practice with the team. That would be almost 2 yrs. without game scenarios..... That's a pickle.

Not saying that's what I would do, but that's what I think will happen. Will know for sure in two weeks.

[HPF Bob]

Hey, that's an idea. Let's put Posey on the IR for a sprained tat.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

Hey, that's an idea. Let's put Posey on the IR for a sprained tat.

Nope, not sprained tat, a "mysterious" calf injury......

Gary Kubiak says WR DeVier Posey did not practice today. He has a minor calf injury. -- Mark Berman (@MarkBermanFox26)

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

You've made judgments on two players before we reach game 1..

Maybe I'm missing something here... Isn't OTA's, Training Camp, practices and preseason there to make player assesments and to define the final roster? Not saying they can make a full assesment by then or he can't develop, but what I am syaing is that if he's not one the best 53 players (or 5~6 best WRs), then he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot and he should go to the PS.

Originally Posted by barrett

As for posey, he is a year out of football and you don't draft a guy like that if you can't be patient. As for why you don't cut a 3rd rounder, it's not about what McNair thinks or how long is left on your contract. The reason you don't cut a 3rd rounder before game 1 is because it's stupid.

It's stupid to cut someone who can help the team and keep a someone who might never help your team. Your opinion is to keep him, but mine is he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot right now. And yes, if it was my decision I'd expose him to waivers and IR or PS him. However, it's not my decision so I'm good with whatever they decide. Hopefully he gets better - and soon.

[Nconroe]

Last year Texans kept 3/4 TE, 1/2 FB, 4 RB, 3 QB, that 4th TE and 4th RB sure didn't play much. So some flexibility. Posey has gotten plenty good reviews by coaches and teammates , just way 2 practice games went there wasn't much chance to show anything. Cutting to 53 will be tough, so we will see in about two weeks.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Maybe I'm missing something here... Isn't OTA's, Training Camp, practices and preseason there to make player assesments and to define the final roster? Not saying they can make a full assesment by then or he can't develop, but what I am syaing is that if he's not one the best 53 players (or 5~6 best WRs), then he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot and he should go to the PS.

It's stupid to cut someone who can help the team and keep a someone who might never help your team. Your opinion is to keep him, but mine is he doesn't deserve a full-time roster spot right now. And yes, if it was my decision I'd expose him to waivers and IR or PS him. However, it's not my decision so I'm good with whatever they decide. Hopefully he gets better - and soon.

Did you watch OTA's, training camp, practices and preseason? Or did you catch two preseason games on TV and maybe a public practice here or there?

I am willing to bet that the guys who watched all those things don't cut him.

It would be the height of stupidity for our front office and coaches to draft a project in the 3rd round and then cut him before week 1 because he's a project.

[Nconroe]

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Isn't there a new IR rules this year, where you can bring one guy back off IR, similar to PUP rule but no end date? This might be possible to protect Posey and keep Hóllings. Maybe.

The players association rejected that proposed rule change today. They also rejected pushing the trade deadline back 2 weeks.

[popanot]

Originally Posted by barrett

Did you watch OTA's, training camp, practices and preseason? Or did you catch two preseason games on TV and maybe a public practice here or there?

I am willing to bet that the guys who watched all those things don't cut him.

It would be the height of stupidity for our front office and coaches to draft a project in the 3rd round and then cut him before week 1 because he's a project.

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Posey not playing speaks volumes on him not being as ready as Jean and Martin. I think he'll be kept based on talent he shows in practice and that got him drafted. He still has to win 5th WR spot, but it doesn't look like he has much competition. I don't think Rick Smith lets his ego get in the way too much.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by popanot

I don't have to watch every practice, OTA, etc. The lack of playing time and when he plays in preseason games (end of the 4th QTR w/scrubs) speaks volumes on how well he's doing and what the coaches think. I agree with others that they'll keep him because of the various egos involved, not because of talent or that he deserves it. Stupidity was wasting a 3rd round pick on that guy.

Stupidity and maybe hubris. Apparently they thought they had the perceptive skills to see something that nobody else could ? This guy is clearly a
cut that should be made right now, but the Texans won't pull the trigger now because of the investment made in him in the form of the third-round pick.