Official 2011 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 Thread

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates

Yates likely does not possess enough physical tools (arm, feet) to be considered a future starter but has a ton of experience in a pro-style offense and could find a home as a backup. At times, appears to be a confident decision-maker in the pocket, capable of efficiently managing his team but occasionally forces throws and is not comfortable dealing with pressure. Shows good accuracy and touch in the short passing game but is not as effective when asked to drive the ball downfield. Tough player who has dealt with adversity and become a better player. Day 3 prospect.

I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates


I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.

Here is what the HuddleReport.com has to say about him.

TJ Yates QB North Carolina


TALENT BOARD

Round 5



STRENGTHS

TJ is a smart QB who has the respect of his teammates and coaches and knows how to run the offense. He reminds me of John Kitna (QB Dallas Cowboys). He has good overall athletic talent and, when he has good players around him, he can be very effective. TJ plays well under center as well as playing in the shotgun. He seems to have a good understanding of the game; he reads defenses well and is smart enough to be trusted to call an audible. TJ plays a very mature game and seems to understand that not every play needs to be a succesful play for an offense to be effective. He has been very productive at the college level. TJ, in the right offense at the next level, could be a very productive and effect QB. I believe in a West Coast Offense, this kid could develop into a starting QB.



CONCERNS

Because of TJ 's lack of franchise arm strength, I think his selection in the draft may be limited to warm weather teams or dome teams that run the West Coast Offense (WCO). As he improves his mechanics and his arm gets stronger, he could be a pretty good QB for just about any team, but a team running the WCO will be the best fit for him.



BOTTOM LINE

This kid is very underrated and with the right players around him, he could easily be a starting QB for the team that drafts him. It might take some time, but the potential is there. Some teams will not rate TJ very high because he doesn't have that great arm. But other teams will see that TJ could be a very valuable player down the road and just maybe more than just a back-up. He also reminds me of Trent Dilfer, who won a Super Bowl playing for the Ravens in 2007. Trent was also the sixth pick in the 1st round of the 1994 draft. Trent struggled when playing for the Buccaneers and always seem to be signed by other clubs as a back-up QB. In spite of that, he always seemed to get on the field and be productive. It would not surprise me at all if TJ's career takes the same path because it seems in this draft he is not getting enough respect. If he can learn to get rid of the ball faster and make decisions quicker, he could become a better QB than Kitna or Dilfer. TJ has to be in the right situation for him to become productive, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the potential to impact at the next level.
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they have him as a 5th rounder, so maybe I am being harsh, but like Roy said, how do they have him ahead of Greg McElroy.

[Roy P]

I give Yates some 'intangibles' bonus points for keeping that UNC team together this season while many of it's stars were being suspended or injured. Since I'm not an employee of the Texans, I haven't had the opportunity to sit in on the interview process either. Sometimes, a personality that 'clicks' with the team and a potential leader at this position is highly valued.

The knock on McElroy is that he has a 'hitch' in his throwing motion. I hate that when I read it as a negative for a QB. I always resort to Bernie Kosar when somebody says that a QB has to throw the ball in a certain motion.

I wouldn't say that Yates is going to remind anybody of Joe Flacco in terms of arm strength. However, Matt Schaub wasn't considered to have a 'big arm' either when he came from UVa.

On another note....the Steelers take my guy Chris Carter.

[Roy P]

S Deunta Williams North Carolina
DT Jerrell Powe Mississippi
ILB Quan Sturdivant North Carolina
OC Kristofer O'Dowd USC
OG Stephen Schilling Michigan
OT Demarcus Love Arkansas
DE Greg Romeus Pittsburgh
OLB Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
CB Chykie Brown Texas
S Jerrard Tarrant Ga Tech
CB Byron Maxwell Clemson
S DeAndre McDaniel Clemson
S Tyler Sash Iowa
DE Pernell McPhee Missi St
WR Ronald Johnson USC
WR Stephen Burton West Texas A&M

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

from the NFL.com site there breakdown of yates


I read has trouble driving the ball as weak armed, it will not be the first time I am wrong, but draft grade is 2.8 when 5+ is what is being drafted right now.

Clearly this evaluation of Yates indicates he's got anything but a big-time arm, so guess I'm mistaken about that. FWIW though, after the Texans took him the ESPN crew was talking about the pick and former TB QB Trent Dilfer raved about him, his potential, and actually said he had "Tony Romo-like" skills. But he went on to say he'd be a project but sure seems to be convinced he could have an NFL future ?

[Arky]

5th round in the can:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Kealoha Pilares WR Panthers 47
2 Johnny White RB Bills 75
3 Robert Sands S Bengals 55
4 Ricky Stanzi QB Chiefs 75
5 Anthony Sherman FB Cardinals 55
6 Buster Skrine DB Browns 70
7 Marcus Cannon OT Patriots 64
8 Brandon Burton DB Vikings 77
9 Gabe Miller OLB Chiefs 20
10 D.J. Williams TE Packers 62
11 Karl Klug DE Titans 54
12 Joshua Thomas DB Cowboys 78
13 Shiloh Keo S Texans 66
14 Jacquizz Rodgers RB Falcons 71
15 Dejon Gomes S Redskins 31
16 Roderick Issac DB Jaguars 30
17 Denarius Moore WR Raiders 46
18 Dion Lewis RB Eagles 72
19 Jason Pinkston OT Browns 58
20 Ahmad Black S Buccaneers 70
21 T.J. Yates QB Texans 46
22 Jeremy Kerley WR Jets 63
23 Richard Sherman DB Seahawks 30
24 Niles Paul WR Redskins 67
25 Mark LeGree S Seahawks 46
26 Douglas Hogue OLB Lions 53
27 Jermale Hines S Rams 53
28 Lee Smith TE Patriots 59
29 Nathan Enderle QB Bears 43
30 Julian Vandervelde OG Eagles 38
31 Christopher Carter OLB Steelers 66
32 Daniel Kilgore OG 49ers 30
33 Chykie Brown DB Ravens 55
34 Pernell McPhee DE Ravens 63

[Roy P]

I'm guessing we are going to draft OL with our final pick or take a flyer on a WR. I'm giving up hope for a NT.

[dadmg]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

and former TB QB Trent Dilfer raved about him, his potential, and actually said he had "Tony Romo-like" skills.

Not sure if I'd put that commendation as a positive; Dilfer always seems to be infatuated with mediocre quarterbacks. Project much?

[Roy P]

I think we need to keep in perspective that this was a 5th round pick projected to become a back-up QB. They all can't be Tom Brady.

On another note....Jerrell Powe is taken by KC. So, maybe Ian Williams from N.D. or Chris Neild from WVa.

[Blitzwood]

That "Mr. Irrelevant" pick is gonna be worth alot more this year. With the lockout in place, teams can't sign UDFA until it's resolved. If a team wants a guy that has fallen, they're gonna have to draft him to make sure they get him. Otherwise, they risk losing him to another team.

Wonder what its worth to some teams, maybe a 5th next year???

Pimp that last pick Kubes!!

[TexanJedi]

Originally Posted by Blitzwood

That "Mr. Irrelevant" pick is gonna be worth alot more this year. With the lockout in place, teams can't sign UDFA until it's resolved. If a team wants a guy that has fallen, they're gonna have to draft him to make sure they get him. Otherwise, they risk losing him to another team.

Wonder what its worth to some teams, maybe a 5th next year???

Pimp that last pick Kubes!!

Cannot trade, it is a compensatory pick.

[Roy P]

The Seahawks drafted Mark LeGree


T.J. Yates is an upgrade over Orlovsky. I wouldn't call him 'weak armed' either. If I had to compare him to somebody...I'd say he was similar the Charlie Whitehurst and the Seahawks thought enough of him to trade for him. I would have probably drafted him in the 6th or 7th, but ONLY after McElroy was off the board. ONLY after we had secured a NT and LeGree. So, yes, I agree it was a 'reach' but I think Yates is going to be as good if not better than Andy Dalton and you see where the Bengals drafted that guy.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

The Seahawks drafted Mark LeGree


T.J. Yates is an upgrade over Orlovsky. I wouldn't call him 'weak armed' either. If I had to compare him to somebody...I'd say he was similar the Charlie Whitehurst and the Seahawks thought enough of him to trade for him. I would have probably drafted him in the 6th or 7th, but ONLY after McElroy was off the board. ONLY after we had secured a NT and LeGree. So, yes, I agree it was a 'reach' but I think Yates is going to be as good if not better than Andy Dalton and you see where the Bengals drafted that guy.

And the Texans do not have a 6th rounder. I agree I have Niles Paul, Le Gree slotted around here.

As for QBs I liked Taylor, McElroy and Enderle as prospect types,

edit**** I also like Ian Williams to play NT about now.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?


LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by WMH

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?


LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

I will own up to being a reactionary draft watcher.

But I think there is another post from the week following the draft where I soften my take on this pick. After the draft was over I remember watching TJ bringing back North Carolina to beat a danged good LSU. So once I started remembering the couple of games I saw of Carolina, I liked the pick.

Also I believe I sung the praises of TJ at the the open practices this summer.

I will own up to being stupid for not having TJ on my radar

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I will own up to being a reactionary draft watcher.

But I think there is another post from the week following the draft where I soften my take on this pick. After the draft was over I remember watching TJ bringing back North Carolina to beat a danged good LSU. So once I started remembering the couple of games I saw of Carolina, I liked the pick.

Also I believe I sung the praises of TJ at the the open practices this summer.

I will own up to being stupid for not having TJ on my radar

Its all good man. Hard to find a diamond in the rough QB3 out of 10,000 candidates, especially with "normal" resources.

I just find it amusing to go back and read all of our bitching, and later to find out I/we were wrong, and the guys that get paid big bucks for doing it were actually right.

But that one time we do get something over them.......