Official 2011 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 Thread

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Roy P

It would make me feel better if we were able to draft a Safety with our next pick. Apparently, I way over-valued Chris Carter and his 11 sacks and 16 TFLs in college last season. Wondering still if we get a NT or not.

Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Speaking of over valuing, any thoughts about Houston following all the way to the third round ?

Popping positive at the Combine is a big no-no. "Character issues" have a way of devaluing a prospect. A few years ago I was very high on Carl Nicks and he got into a fight at a party after the Senior Bowl and he fell like a rock. I think the Saints ended up getting him in the 4th round. Nicks has been a very good LG and I'll be interested in seeing how well Houston plays for KC. If he stays out of trouble, I think he can be a force.

[Roy P]

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Shiloh Keo played Safety, but I am not one of his biggest fans when Deunta Williams, Mark Legree, and DeAndre McDaniel were available. We shall see how this pick plays out.

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I like this pick. Keo is another high motor guy. He will play on every special teams, he is a little slow in his 40 time, but he is always around the ball and he makes plays.

I have a problem when your FS and the 5-Technique Defensive end run the same 40.

[Roy P]

Might lack the athleticism to handle coverage responsibilities in the NFL. Is a tough defender, but isn't particularly instinctive and doesn't possess the fluidity and straight-line speed to mask his lack of awareness. Can lay the big hit on an unsuspecting ballcarrier, but to do so generally has to leave his feet and has a tendency to duck his head and rely on the collision to knock the ballcarrier to the ground, rather than wrapping his arms securely.

[Arky]

TJ Yates, QB, North Carolina? Umm, sounds like Kubes just took over the war room...lol

[Roy P]

We selected our back-up QB T.J. Yates. He is one of 'My Guys' so I don't have too much of a problem with this pick. I saw him play the Texas v. The Nation game in San Antonio and he should be a good developmental guy. Wondering why Kubiak rated him higher than Greg McElroy, though.

[painekiller]

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

I guess Smith Kubiak are back in charge. This appears to be early for this guy.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK Roy, this is a head scratchier here, TJ Yates QB from UNC, who is this guy?

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

"Weak armed" ? No way, the kid has got a gun !
But I suspect McNair thru a crumb to Kubiak, might feel sorry for him as it would seem Wade is now the de facto HC.

[Roy P]

The Seahawks drafted Mark LeGree


T.J. Yates is an upgrade over Orlovsky. I wouldn't call him 'weak armed' either. If I had to compare him to somebody...I'd say he was similar the Charlie Whitehurst and the Seahawks thought enough of him to trade for him. I would have probably drafted him in the 6th or 7th, but ONLY after McElroy was off the board. ONLY after we had secured a NT and LeGree. So, yes, I agree it was a 'reach' but I think Yates is going to be as good if not better than Andy Dalton and you see where the Bengals drafted that guy.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?


LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

[Arky]

Shiloh Keo, Safety from Idaho

Has punt returner experience...

[coloradodude]

Originally Posted by Arky

Shiloh Keo, Safety from Idaho

Only a face a mother could love




Thought I would add this little blurb I found...

"The Texans find more help for a beleaguered secondary at pick 144 with Idaho S Shiloh Keo, who earned praise from Deion Sanders at the scouting combine for his ball skills and hustle."

[Roy P]

Okay the next need, in my opinion is at NT. Maybe we can develop Jerrell Powe or take a guy off my draft board from Notre Dame....Ian Williams.

[nunusguy]

Keo looks like Pollard-lite to me: big hitter but lacking the kind of foot-speed to cover which is a skill that Wade seems to want in his safetys, both of them. ST player supreme though and maybe DBackfield depth in a pinch.