7 Round Mock

[painekiller]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State
51 Nate Allen S South Florida
82 Amari Spievey* CB Iowa
119 Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
151 Charles Scott RB LSU
188 Jeff Byers OG USC
198 Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
228 Kenny Alfred OC Washington State

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State
51 Nate Allen S South Florida
82 Amari Spievey* CB Iowa
119 Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
151 Charles Scott RB LSU
188 Jeff Byers OG USC
198 Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
228 Kenny Alfred OC Washington State

20.LB Sean Weatherspoon 6'1" 245 4.68 Missouri

51.CB Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest

82.RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn

119.DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington

151.CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA

188.CB AJ Jefferson 6'0" 193 4.49 Fresno St.

198.DT Earl Mitchell 6'2" 296 4.75 Arizona

228.OG Shelley Smith 6'3" 300 5.03 Colorado State

I will say that this particular site has players all over the place. Either I'm really overrating some guys, or they are waaay off the mark. The question comes into play about the CB position that has been believed to be the BIG need. At 20 Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, & Patrick Robinson may be worthwhile, but Alterraun Verner, Aj Jefferson, Kevin Thomas, Trevard Lindley, and Crezdon Butler would be servicable in pass defense much later in the draft.

Perhaps I can draft the BPA in the first, take the best RB in the 2nd, the best OL/DL in the 3rd and 4th, and then grab DB's that fit our system best. Just a thought.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Perhaps I can draft the BPA in the first, take the best RB in the 2nd, the best OL/DL in the 3rd and 4th, and then grab DB's that fit our system best. Just a thought.

OK I will try this:

1 Mike Iupati OG Idaho
2 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
3 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
4 Linval Joseph* DT East Carolina
5 Donovan Warren* CB Michigan
6 Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech
7 Zane Beadles OG Utah

Sorry I had to grab a RB in the 6th because McNair said we are taking two of them.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

OK I will try this:

1 Mike Iupati OG Idaho
2 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
3 Lamarr Houston DT Texas
4 Linval Joseph* DT East Carolina
5 Donovan Warren* CB Michigan
6 Deji Karim RB Southern Illinois
6 Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech
7 Zane Beadles OG Utah

Sorry I had to grab a RB in the 6th because McNair said we are taking two of them.

I thought about pulling a Duane Brown and reaching for a need in the first round...

1. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
2. Ben Tate RB Auburn
3. Geno Atkins DT Georgia
4. Linval Joseph DT ECU
5. James Starks RB Buffalo (my 2nd RB)
6. Brian Jackson FS Oklahoma
6. Alterraun Verner CB UCLA
7. Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington (There's NO way he's a 7th round pick)
FA. Crezdon Butler CB Clemson (Did I mention Calvin Johnson was held to 0 catches when he played Clemson?)

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I thought about pulling a Duane Brown and reaching for a need in the first round...

1. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
2. Ben Tate RB Auburn
3. Geno Atkins DT Georgia
4. Linval Joseph DT ECU
5. James Starks RB Buffalo (my 2nd RB)
6. Brian Jackson FS Oklahoma
6. Alterraun Verner CB UCLA
7. Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington (There's NO way he's a 7th round pick)
FA. Crezdon Butler CB Clemson (Did I mention Calvin Johnson was held to 0 catches when he played Clemson?)

I think this organization has shown that it can put together some quality drafts.... This doesn't match that in my opinion.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by gunn

I think this organization has shown that it can put together some quality drafts.... This doesn't match that in my opinion.

Really?

2009 - Houston Texans
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 15 Brian Cushing LB USC
2 46 Connor Barwin DE Cincinnati
3 77 Antoine Caldwell C Alabama
4 112 Glover Quin DB New Mexico
4 122 Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State
5 152 James Casey TE Rice
6 188 Brice McCain DB Utah
7 223 Troy Nolan DB Arizona State
2008 - Houston Texans

Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 26 Duane Brown T Virginia Tech
3 79 Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky
3 89 Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
4 118 Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech
5 151 Frank Okam DT Texas
6 173 Dominique Barber FS Minnesota
7 223 Alex Brink QB Washington State

2007 - Houston Texans
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 10 Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
3 73 Jacoby Jones WR Lane
4 123 Fred Bennett CB South Carolina
5 144 Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
5 163 Brandon Frye OT Virginia Tech
6 183 Kasey Studdard G Texas
7 218 Zach Diles LB Kansas State

[kRocket]

Amazing how many players from those three drafts are still on the team. The shows what crap Kubiak inherited.

[gunn]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Really?

Yep. I think this team is in need of 2-3 immediate impact players still and I don't feel as if that draft you put out there has a single player that could come in and make a significant immediate impact on this team. Aside from what I would consider major reaches with the first two picks you don't address a primary need (the secondary) until the 6th round. To me... that's just not getting the job done.

[Blitzwood]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I thought about pulling a Duane Brown and reaching for a need in the first round...

1. Jon Asamoah OG Illinois

lol

[popanot]

Man, it sure would be nice to get an unexpected, but much needed rebound in production from Fred Bennet. I've pretty much written off Molden as waisted pick and will be surprised if he makes it out of (or even to) camp this year.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Sorry I had to grab a RB in the 6th because McNair said we are taking two of them.

Ok, I just did a mock and drafted 2 RBs.

1. S Earl Thomas
2. OG Jon Asamoah
3. RB Ben Tate
4. RB Jonathan Dwyer
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
6. CB Kevin Thomas
6. LB Simoni Lawrence
7. CB Crezdon Butler

I think Dwyer may just be that short yardage back that had a slow 40 and has enough ???? to drop in the draft. Playing in the Option at Ga. Tech and being the FB, may perhaps make him a bargain. So much so, that I've put him back on my draftboard.

[texan]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Ok, I just did a mock and drafted 2 RBs.

1. S Earl Thomas
2. OG Jon Asamoah
3. RB Ben Tate
4. RB Jonathan Dwyer
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
6. CB Kevin Thomas
6. LB Simoni Lawrence
7. CB Crezdon Butler

Why are you waiting til the 6th round to fill our biggest need?

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by texan

Why are you waiting til the 6th round to fill our biggest need?

I dunno but maybe he's planning on playing Thomas more as a corner than a safety ? This is one of Thomas's big selling points you know, his versitility.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by texan

Why are you waiting til the 6th round to fill our biggest need?

1. S Earl Thomas
2. OG Jon Asamoah
3. RB Ben Tate
4. RB Jonathan Dwyer
5. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
6. CB Kevin Thomas
6. LB Simoni Lawrence
7. CB Crezdon Butler

I don't think that the draft is meant to be used to fill needs in a corresponding manner. In other words, if you have a priority of 1 at CB then you HAVE to draft a CB in the 1st round and if your second priority is at RB then the 2nd round draft pick has to be a RB, etc. The draft is meant to get the most talented players on your team with an eye towards needs. Earl Thomas should be a top 12 pick and since we need a FS, we would be crazy to pass on him. The interior OL needs upgrading or it won't matter who our RB is and Asamoah is the ONLY OG in this draft that has the athleticism to play in our ZBS and the TALENT to start. So, we could wait on Shawn Lauvao, but he won't make an impact. The team has no credible run threat, so defenses will be pinning their ears back and kill Schaub unless we make them respect the possibility of a running game. So, I went after Tate, mainly because I was afraid there would be no legitimate RBs later in the draft.

Now, to the main reason I waited until the 6th round to draft a CB. I have no faith in this CB class to be able to produce an all-around CB. I'd love to spend #20 and get Revis to shut down one side of the field. Unfortunately, this class doesn't have that type of CB in it. Either the guy is slow, or not physical, or can't play man coverage, or gets lost in Zone coverage, or can't tackle, has no ball skills for interceptions, or bites on play action. All of the CBs have weaknesses. So, I figure why not get a late round CB where I can choose which strengths I want. Kevin Thomas is a complete CB and the reason he's under the radar is because of a history of injuries. He held up pretty well as a Senior and tested well at the Combine, so I may have spent a 6th on him, but I think he'll plays as well as the 2nd round pick I would have spent on Kareem Jackson or Dominique Franks. Crezdon Butler has good awareness and ball skills. He's not as fast as I'd prefer, but he has good quickness and would be great in the slot. He'd be better than Brice McCain in my opinion. I also feel as if I've upgraded the Secondary immensely by putting Earl Thomas in the middle of the field, so my CBs can be of lesser talent. If I had known I could get Dwyer in the 4th round, I would have drafted Geno Atkins in the 3rd round to go along with Daniel Te'o-Nesheim, to improve the pass-rush, thus improving the secondary. You live and learn.

[Joe Joe]

Originally Posted by Roy P

The interior OL needs upgrading or it won't matter who our RB is ...

Disagree. The interior of the line needs upgrading, but the RB does matter. A guy that hits a hole as it is opening is going to do much better than one that waits till the hole is opened. Even if all the RB does is force the defense to stop him, he can keep DEs from pinning their ears back.

[painekiller]

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Dexter McCluster RB Mississippi
118 Mitch Petrus OG Arkansas
150 Andre Roberts WR Citadel
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
227 Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State

Not a bad one, but no real RB, I like McCluster for his mismatches but he is not a every down back. Petrus is off my list, Thanks Roy.

My Cherry Pick

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Jeff Owens DT Georgia
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
227 Kevin Matthews OC Texas A&M

[kRocket]

PK - I really liked your cherry pick until 6b and maybe 7. Adam Ulatoski can be picked up for camp fodder as a UDFA more likely and IDK if Matthews wants to play for his dad, but if he does then go for him. We can do better in the 6th IMO.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

My Cherry Pick

20 Dan Williams DT Tennessee
51 Devin McCourty CB Rutgers
81 Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee
118 Ben Tate RB Auburn
150 Jeff Owens DT Georgia
187 Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech
197 Adam Ulatoski OT Texas
227 Kevin Matthews OC Texas A&M

Anytime we can get Dan Williams and Devin McCourty without any trades, I'm a little skeptical. Sort of like when we were drafting Williams and Weatherspoon. However, I'll play along and see what my draft board yields...

20. DT Dan Williams
51. CB Devin McCourty
81. OG John Jerry
118. RB Ben Tate

At this point, I could care less what happens. I'm so freakin' happy I must be dreaming.

150. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim
187. CB Alterraun Verner
197. S Robert Johnson
227. RB Andre Anderson

Who knew that the way to improve the running game included adding Ben & Jerry

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

new 7 round mock from draftsite.com

20 Dez Bryant* WR Oklahoma State
51 Nate Allen S South Florida
82 Amari Spievey* CB Iowa
119 Jarrett Brown QB West Virginia
151 Charles Scott RB LSU
188 Jeff Byers OG USC
198 Kion Wilson ILB South Florida
228 Kenny Alfred OC Washington State

Ok, updated my board and ran it against the draftsite.com mock tonight.

20. DT Dan Williams 6'3" 327 5.17 Tennessee
51. CB Patrick Robinson 5'11" 194 4.46 Florida St
82. CB/FS Brandon Ghee 6'0" 191 4.45 Wake Forest
119. RB Ben Tate 5'11" 218 4.43 Auburn
151. DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim 6'4" 263 4.73 Washington
188. CB Alterraun Verner 5'10" 185 4.52 UCLA
198. CB Trevard Lindley 5'11" 180 4.53 Kentucky
228. RB Lonyae Miller 5'11" 220 4.52 Fresno St.

I will have to say that I'm pretty pleased with this draft. I'd have liked some OL prospects but this draft is kind of bare of talent in my opinion after the 2nd round. I got 1 very talented 1st rounder, followed by what I have as 3 2nd round talents (Robinson, Ghee, Tate), and 2 4th round talents (Te'o-Nesheim & Verner), and 2 5th round picks in Lindley and Miller. All of that without a single trade I wonder if the teams come out feeling that way after they draft. Scratching their heads wondering how they made out like bandits with all this talent. No wonder they all say how the draft was so wonderful. Your treasure is everyone else's trash.

[kRocket]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Ok, updated my board and ran it against the draftsite.com mock tonight.

I know we need some defensive backs but to draft 4 seems excessive. I believe I would rather see some offensive line people take the place of the late round picks. We can't add 4 DB's without cutting 3 of our own. They would have to be substantially better than what we have to make it not a waste of picks. I know simulators are hard to work with but did you get the outcome you wanted?