Jaques Reeves

Bigtinylittle · #1 07-16-2008, 11:26 AM

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. You seem to think Kubiak made the wrong move. Do you think we should have gotten an elite corner? You say getting Reeves might be overplanning. What is it exactly that you would have done?

NBT · #2 07-16-2008, 01:54 PM

From what I have been able to gather about Reeves, he is fast with good hip turn, it is just that he likes to free lance too much and doesn't stay within the defense called. That may not be exact, but that is the inference I get from all the Dallas negativism. Of course I think our defensive secondary coaches are better than those of Dallas, so I think they will be able to get Reeves to buy in to the plan better than Dallas did. Having said that, I am going to be a little nervous about Reeves until he seems to prove himself in our system. It is good that we have a youngster like Moulden waiting in the wings.

Joshua · #3 07-16-2008, 03:29 PM

I didn't watch the Cowboys enough last year to give a learned opinion on Reeves (not sure that's even possible from watching a TV broadcast, even if I had the expertise/inclination). However, one point which might bear considering is the fact that Reeves was the obvious #2 corner across from Newman. Thus, teams are likely going to go at him more often. Throw in Roy Williams as your over-the-top help (and the fact that the rules and officiating favors the offensive player) and he was made to look bad simply by the volume of plays he was in.

I guess what I'm saying is that, because of the rules currently in place, I think most corners (with the exception of the truly elite) can look pretty bad if teams target them. If you have one corner who is generally considered to be good and teams shy away from him, the other corner is almost always going to get burned from time to time, unless he's truly special. It's one of those cases where preception becomes reality. I think most corners in the league could be exposed if teams made a concerted effort to go after them. Thus, playing with a good corner who teams avoid can make you look worse than you are (in comparison to other corners) for no other reason than you're the one in the cross-hairs.

Bigtinylittle · #4 07-16-2008, 05:04 PM

Joshua; I agree 100% with what you are saying. It's probably best to keep a bit of an open mind about Reeves. We should be able to tell how good he is after the first few games. If he's no better than Faggins, then the Texans made a big mistake and will probably throw in Molden right away.

KJ3 · #5 07-17-2008, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

I'm not quite sure what you are saying. You seem to think Kubiak made the wrong move. Do you think we should have gotten an elite corner? You say getting Reeves might be overplanning. What is it exactly that you would have done?

nah, i won't call it a wrong move but i do think it was overplanning. we basically went after a mid to low level cb, gave him a pretty decent contract (that is fair for both sides, i didn't realize before this thread how favorable the texans made it for themselves) when we all knew that CB or LT was going to be one of the 1st 2 picks in the draft. and look, we got a guy i'm positive they had a huge target on with our 2nd pick and he's turning a few heads already.

so, what would i have done? maybe go after a guy who immediately starts without question (probably spend a little extra to get it) and target someone else with the 3rd round pick spent on molden? maybe a DE or a Safety? i don't know, i'm not upset or anything about reeves but if he proves to be unnecessary or just plain bad then keith will have part of an answer to his question of months past: what exactly has smith done as GM? not given out stupid contracts, for one.

i still think the CB group is among the worst on our team though. dunta's return will help, an actual defensive system will help, new coaches will help, better and more consistent pass rush will help but i'm not going to count on them to change games much. that way i won't be disappointed in mediocrity and will be pleasantly surprised with any break-out performances cough::fred::cough

papabear · #6 07-17-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KJ3

nah, i won't call it a wrong move but i do think it was overplanning. we basically went after a mid to low level cb, gave him a pretty decent contract (that is fair for both sides, i didn't realize before this thread how favorable the texans made it for themselves) when we all knew that CB or LT was going to be one of the 1st 2 picks in the draft.

That's my major problem with your logic. We all thought the Texans were going LT or CB in the first (the Texans probably were planning on it too) but you can't ever count on anything in the draft. Even if you get the player you want there's no guarantee that he will work out. Taking that a step further and assuming that a player or players will be there when your pick comes up is a crap shoot at best.

I think the Texans treated it perfectly. They set themselves up so that they didn't HAVE to take any position on draft day. All the holes might not have been filled the way we would like, but there wasn't any position that was a must in terms of finding an opening day starter. Waiting until draft day to find a starter is how you end up giving up too much to trade up for a player like Jason Babin.

KJ3 · #7 07-17-2008, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by papabear

That's my major problem with your logic. We all thought the Texans were going LT or CB in the first (the Texans probably were planning on it too) but you can't ever count on anything in the draft. Even if you get the player you want there's no guarantee that he will work out. Taking that a step further and assuming that a player or players will be there when your pick comes up is a crap shoot at best.

if we all, including the texans, thought along those lines then you have a problem with my, the texans, and your own logic.

molden may have been on the short list, maybe he works out maybe he doesn't we don't know-the draft is a crapshoot-yadayada-i get that...but how can you say that knowing that reeves has a pretty not-so glimmering history to rewrite? how is he to be more counted on as a known, sub-par quantity than a guy who hasn't had a chance to prove anything good or bad?

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I think the Texans treated it perfectly. They set themselves up so that they didn't HAVE to take any position on draft day. All the holes might not have been filled the way we would like, but there wasn't any position that was a must in terms of finding an opening day starter. Waiting until draft day to find a starter is how you end up giving up too much to trade up for a player like Jason Babin.

i can't say anything to that, it's a great point. like i said, i'm not upset about having reeves especially after realizing the texans ability to get out from under the big number on the contract but he's got a few things to prove just to be useful to our team. that doesn't exactly spell confidence to me, for a guy who is most likely starting in pittsburgh.

hell, if nothing else he gets petey out of the mix...not quite worth 3 mil but it's a start.