Jaques Reeves

[cadams]

man, everyone talks about us givign reeves a boatload of money, but i just dont think that is the case. i could be wrong, but the way his contract was structured i remember it looking like a good deal for the texans. if he performs he will get all of that money (and in the market today, 20 million isnt much for a cb who is performing). if he doesnt, the texans can get rid of him after a year or two without much of a cap hit.

Keith, you are the cap guru, does that jive with what you think?

[papabear]

Originally Posted by cadams

man, everyone talks about us givign reeves a boatload of money, but i just dont think that is the case. i could be wrong, but the way his contract was structured i remember it looking like a good deal for the texans. if he performs he will get all of that money (and in the market today, 20 million isnt much for a cb who is performing). if he doesnt, the texans can get rid of him after a year or two without much of a cap hit.

Keith, you are the cap guru, does that jive with what you think?

That's kinda the way I understood it as well....we could cut him relatively pain free after one year, or if he plays well he gets his 20 million....again not that outrageous for a CB.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by cadams

man, everyone talks about us givign reeves a boatload of money, but i just dont think that is the case. i could be wrong, but the way his contract was structured i remember it looking like a good deal for the texans. if he performs he will get all of that money (and in the market today, 20 million isnt much for a cb who is performing). if he doesnt, the texans can get rid of him after a year or two without much of a cap hit.

Keith, you are the cap guru, does that jive with what you think?

Keith had this to say on 4/26/08

Reeves signed a 5-year contract that included a $4 million signing bonus ($4MM / 5 yr = $800k/yr prorate). He also got an addition $2 million as a roster bonus on this year's cap, which is the reason why cutting him after this year or next would be less painful... that extra $2MM won't need to be spread over future years.

2008: $1MM base, $800k prorate, $2MM roster = $3.8MM cap hit

So getting rid of Reeves after just one year would mean ($800k * 4 years) $3.2 million in dead money. If taken as a June 1, 2009 cut, that would mean $800k on the 2009 cap and $2.4 million on the 2010 cap.

They structured the contract so Reeves could be a one year rental, or a long term answer. This is not Rasputin's team anymore.

[Joshua]

For what it's worth --

"Antwaun Molden could also see playing time early. Last season, the coaches eased cornerback Fred Bennett into the defense, but Molden is already ahead of where Bennett was at this time last year. Molden has very good technique and is a bigger cornerback, who will complement Bennett well on the field."

http://ind.scout.com/a.z?s=113&p=2&c=769287

[KJ3]

so let me make sure i understand this. reeves is going to make about 3.8 mil, right? what he did to get that much?

so we gave him a boat load of money, we are just bringing it in on 5 different boats?

[papabear]

Originally Posted by KJ3

so let me make sure i understand this. reeves is going to make about 3.8 mil, right? what he did to get that much?

so we gave him a boat load of money, we are just bringing it in on 5 different boats?

I think the franchise tag for CB's was something like 9 million....so he's not getting paid like a top five corner. Is he getting more than he deserves? Yep, but so does just about any free agent under thirty with some skill. If he doesn't work out he guts cut after this year. 800k in 2009 and 2.4 in 2010 against the cap....not a big deal in the grand scheme of things for NFL salary cap.

McNair might not like spending six million or so on a guy who was only here one year and didn't play well, but that only affects his pocketbook....not the cap situation down the road.

[Bigtinylittle]

It is pretty easy to see what he did to get that money. Last year the Texans overpaid Black by quite a bit. That's because they had a desperate need for backup help at LT. They could have gone with someone else at backup LT who was already on the team, such as Frye. They chose to go with someone who had a proven track record of several less than stellar years starting in the NFL, and not go with a total unknown. LT is a position which demands lots of dollars, even for mediocre play. So Black was overpaid by quite a bit. The Texans were buying insurance. Now that they have brown, Black is no longer needed and he was cut.

The situation at CB is almost identical. They are buying insurance. That's the way they operate If they could have bought somebody they thought was better for less money, they would have. Is Reeves being overpaid by a lot? I imagine he is, though time will tell. Could the Texans have gone with the untried Molden and saved a lot of money? Yes, but that's not the way Kubiak operates. Will Molden beat out Reeves early in the season and show that we had unnecessary insurance? Perhaps.

But ask yourself this question: are the Texans sorry they bought insurance at LT last year? I doubt it. And if Molden turns out to be a stud, I doubt that the Texans will be sorry they gave Reeves the contract they gave him. It's an insurance policy.

[cadams]

as crazy as this sounds, 3.8 million for an average starting cb isnt really overpain in the nfl these days

[coloradodude]

I can tell you guys that I'm not upset at all for the signing of Reeves. But we better have some responsible safeties on the field. Not just for him but for Bennett and Moulden as well.

Go back to Koobs history with the 49er's and the Broncos. You can name the safeties. I look forward to the safeties presence being felt in games soon. He knows and understands their role so count on that position sending someone to the PB this year or next...imo.