Trade Dunta?

[Big Texas]

I understand that he is possibly being stubborn here. But how many stars are not. There is definately a business side to football. Me personally I would have taken the franchise tag offer and worked my ass off this year to prove that I was worth a long term deal. But its not me. I dont think this is a personal attack on the team in any way. When it comes down to the business side, the players must look out for themselves because the owners surely are not. They will trade you or release you without a hesitation if it fits their scheme of things. So he must look out for himself or no one will.

2. Its not uncommon for players to want long term security.

[bckey]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Its not uncommon for players to want long term security.

But Dunta doesn't want that security in Houston

[edo783]

Dunta WAS offered long term security at a level FAR above what he should have been (20+ million guaranteed), but top 5 CB money just wasn't good enough for him. What does that say? To me it says "I don't care what you offer, I don't want to be here". So, the team stuck with him through his injury and paid him the whole time with no complaints and he turns around and craps in their hand on the long term offer that he supposedly wanted and then snivels that they franchise him for a MERE 9.9 million guaranteed and then wants them to grantee they wont franchise him next year. Well screw him and the horse he rode in on. Wait to the last dang minute, withdraw the tag and let him get what he deserves...... maybe 2 million from some team. And that BS about "They said they wouldn't franchise me" is just that, BS. If he has more smarts than a box of rocks, he would know that isn't even a possibility in the negotiations. The team probably didn't expect to have to do it because they expected him to accept the type of offer he said he was looking for. Frack him and chuck his butt out of town in the worst possible situation that they can create. If the team was trying to low ball him and take advantage of his injury situation I would feel very differently, but basically the guy flat out lied about wanting to be a Texan until he retired and he proved it when he rejected exactly the type of contract he said he wanted.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by edo783

Dunta WAS offered long term security at a level FAR above what he should have been (20+ million guaranteed), but top 5 CB money just wasn't good enough for him. What does that say? To me it says "I don't care what you offer, I don't want to be here". So, the team stuck with him through his injury and paid him the whole time with no complaints and he turns around and craps in their hand on the long term offer that he supposedly wanted and then snivels that they franchise him for a MERE 9.9 million guaranteed and then wants them to grantee they wont franchise him next year. Well screw him and the horse he rode in on. Wait to the last dang minute, withdraw the tag and let him get what he deserves...... maybe 2 million from some team. And that BS about "They said they wouldn't franchise me" is just that, BS. If he has more smarts than a box of rocks, he would know that isn't even a possibility in the negotiations. The team probably didn't expect to have to do it because they expected him to accept the type of offer he said he was looking for. Frack him and chuck his butt out of town in the worst possible situation that they can create. If the team was trying to low ball him and take advantage of his injury situation I would feel very differently, but basically the guy flat out lied about wanting to be a Texan until he retired and he proved it when he rejected exactly the type of contract he said he wanted.

Please explain how this helps the Texans win football games next year.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by barrett

Please explain how this helps the Texans win football games next year.

By keeping the 10 mill and getting player(s) who wants to be here and will actually contribute to the team and not be a locker room asshat. Heck use the money to sign the guys that are actually playing and needing a new contract. I think there might be a couple of those guys out there. It also gives the satisfaction of punking a dipstick that basically spit in your face while lying to you. Dunta on his BEST day was a just slightly above average CB. Pretty good against the run and fair at best against the pass. Last season showed him to be less than marginal as a CB. Might he come back better than last year, yes but do you really think he will even be back to 90% of what he was when he was just slightly above average? So we make him a stupendous offer and get treated this way.... I'm sorry, when the team goes out of it's way to do more than fair by the player and you get this level of whinny disrespect, then just jackem up. And if you think any one will trade a 1st or even a 2nd for him you need to back off on the drugs.

[bckey]

I pretty much agree with everything edo783 said concerning Dunta. Get rid of the bum. The sooner the better.

[popanot]

First sign of a contract squabbled and people fly off the deep end. I'm sure glad Kubiak and Smith are playing this close to the vest and not overreacting. It would not surprise me at all to see this getting resolved with a new contract at some point. If it doesn't, well then trade him before the '10 draft - or for a player like Landry or Atogwe (sp??). Dunta has everything to lose by not playing hard and/or being an a$$-clown in the locker room this year. I doubt he's going to do that. He might make a comment to the media about his contract status from time to time, but I doubt he's going to be a disruptive force in the locker room. For one, I don't think the leaders on this team would put up with it, and second, Kubiak would put his arse on the pine if he doesn't perform and they have a suitable replacement. Dunta loses big-time if that happens.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by edo783

By keeping the 10 mill and getting player(s) who wants to be here and will actually contribute to the team and not be a locker room asshat. Heck use the money to sign the guys that are actually playing and needing a new contract. I think there might be a couple of those guys out there. It also gives the satisfaction of punking a dipstick that basically spit in your face while lying to you. Dunta on his BEST day was a just slightly above average CB. Pretty good against the run and fair at best against the pass. Last season showed him to be less than marginal as a CB. Might he come back better than last year, yes but do you really think he will even be back to 90% of what he was when he was just slightly above average? So we make him a stupendous offer and get treated this way.... I'm sorry, when the team goes out of it's way to do more than fair by the player and you get this level of whinny disrespect, then just jackem up. And if you think any one will trade a 1st or even a 2nd for him you need to back off on the drugs.

I still cannot believe that you are calling for the team to just let him go. Some are calling for a trade, and while not logical in timing, it is a possible NFL move. To just pull the offer and let him walk is colosally stupid.

Almost nothing you said has anything to do with winning games next year. Most of it is just whining that is out of all proportion to the situation. You are reacting like Dunta has somehow personally wronged you by trying to get paid more money. He may be delusional and he may not want to play in Houston, but neither makes him the anti-christ.

Dunta will sign the offer before he loses game checks because obviously money matters to him. Then he will play hard for us because it's a business and he'll be auditioning for a new team. Then he will likely leave after the year through a trade for a 2010 draft pick. In this scenario we get a season of play from him (and he is certainly one of our 2 best CBs). And we get compensation for him in some form when he leaves.

In your scenario we get the "satisfaction of punking a dipstick that basically spit in your face while lying to you." I am very glad that our GM isn't running our franchise looking to punk people.

[Big Texas]

Originally Posted by barrett

Almost nothing you said has anything to do with winning games next year

Agreed.

I dont understand why people are really pushing to get rid of this guy as if CB is our strongest position. If by some stretch of the imagination he is released or traded for a 2010 draft pick, I hope Quin becomes a stud because otherwise we will be bringing back the same sub par secondary that we had last year.

And as far as saving the money from Dunta contract to sign a good player. I can count on one hand how many impactful free agents we've signed since our inception.

Lets just go with our best options for winning right now.