Trade Dunta?

[bckey]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Unless I have missed something, why are we willing to give up so soon on Dunta.

It doesn't really come down to how DRob compares to the elite cb's of the NFL. It comes down to his unwillingness to sign what was reported to be a Chris Gamble type contract. The Texans offered him elite money even with the unsurety of him ever being what he was pre-injury. Instead the Texans had to franchise him so that he couldn't just walk. Dunta has made it pretty clear he doesn't want to play in Houston with his actions not necessarily his words. He said he would report to camp if the Texans would promise not to franchise him next year. He wants to play somewhere else. He has alienated himself from most Texan fans that used to be behind him 100%. I'm worried he will be a cancer in the lockeroom this year because he feels he has been disrespected by Rick Smith and the fans are really getting tired of all his whining. I say get rid of him now and be done with him.

[NBT]

I hear all this crap about what Dunta deserves, but what about what the team deserves? The Texans weren't exactly putting DRob on bread and water when they offered $23M in guaranteed money! Come on people, he is looking out for himself to get the fattest contract he can get before the league starts capping these humongous bonuses.

[Big Texas]

I understand that he is possibly being stubborn here. But how many stars are not. There is definately a business side to football. Me personally I would have taken the franchise tag offer and worked my ass off this year to prove that I was worth a long term deal. But its not me. I dont think this is a personal attack on the team in any way. When it comes down to the business side, the players must look out for themselves because the owners surely are not. They will trade you or release you without a hesitation if it fits their scheme of things. So he must look out for himself or no one will.

2. Its not uncommon for players to want long term security.

[bckey]

Originally Posted by Big Texas

Its not uncommon for players to want long term security.

But Dunta doesn't want that security in Houston

[edo783]

Dunta WAS offered long term security at a level FAR above what he should have been (20+ million guaranteed), but top 5 CB money just wasn't good enough for him. What does that say? To me it says "I don't care what you offer, I don't want to be here". So, the team stuck with him through his injury and paid him the whole time with no complaints and he turns around and craps in their hand on the long term offer that he supposedly wanted and then snivels that they franchise him for a MERE 9.9 million guaranteed and then wants them to grantee they wont franchise him next year. Well screw him and the horse he rode in on. Wait to the last dang minute, withdraw the tag and let him get what he deserves...... maybe 2 million from some team. And that BS about "They said they wouldn't franchise me" is just that, BS. If he has more smarts than a box of rocks, he would know that isn't even a possibility in the negotiations. The team probably didn't expect to have to do it because they expected him to accept the type of offer he said he was looking for. Frack him and chuck his butt out of town in the worst possible situation that they can create. If the team was trying to low ball him and take advantage of his injury situation I would feel very differently, but basically the guy flat out lied about wanting to be a Texan until he retired and he proved it when he rejected exactly the type of contract he said he wanted.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by edo783

Dunta WAS offered long term security at a level FAR above what he should have been (20+ million guaranteed), but top 5 CB money just wasn't good enough for him. What does that say? To me it says "I don't care what you offer, I don't want to be here". So, the team stuck with him through his injury and paid him the whole time with no complaints and he turns around and craps in their hand on the long term offer that he supposedly wanted and then snivels that they franchise him for a MERE 9.9 million guaranteed and then wants them to grantee they wont franchise him next year. Well screw him and the horse he rode in on. Wait to the last dang minute, withdraw the tag and let him get what he deserves...... maybe 2 million from some team. And that BS about "They said they wouldn't franchise me" is just that, BS. If he has more smarts than a box of rocks, he would know that isn't even a possibility in the negotiations. The team probably didn't expect to have to do it because they expected him to accept the type of offer he said he was looking for. Frack him and chuck his butt out of town in the worst possible situation that they can create. If the team was trying to low ball him and take advantage of his injury situation I would feel very differently, but basically the guy flat out lied about wanting to be a Texan until he retired and he proved it when he rejected exactly the type of contract he said he wanted.

Please explain how this helps the Texans win football games next year.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by barrett

Please explain how this helps the Texans win football games next year.

By keeping the 10 mill and getting player(s) who wants to be here and will actually contribute to the team and not be a locker room asshat. Heck use the money to sign the guys that are actually playing and needing a new contract. I think there might be a couple of those guys out there. It also gives the satisfaction of punking a dipstick that basically spit in your face while lying to you. Dunta on his BEST day was a just slightly above average CB. Pretty good against the run and fair at best against the pass. Last season showed him to be less than marginal as a CB. Might he come back better than last year, yes but do you really think he will even be back to 90% of what he was when he was just slightly above average? So we make him a stupendous offer and get treated this way.... I'm sorry, when the team goes out of it's way to do more than fair by the player and you get this level of whinny disrespect, then just jackem up. And if you think any one will trade a 1st or even a 2nd for him you need to back off on the drugs.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by NBT

I hear all this crap about what Dunta deserves, but what about what the team deserves? The Texans weren't exactly putting DRob on bread and water when they offered $23M in guaranteed money! Come on people, he is looking out for himself to get the fattest contract he can get before the league starts capping these humongous bonuses.

I don't know, I think he is scared of injury. I think that last injury shook him. If you need evidence, the look at every play where a pile was rolling up on him, he looked like a rabbit, hopping around.

In a game dominated by bravado and fearlessness, amongst a car crash a play, the realization of your own mortality in the context of football life, has to be a debilitating thought.

Compound that with the epiphany that this is all you have ever done, that you have little skill outside of a 40x100 rectangle of sod, and other likeminded individuals, little other ability to make a living or to provide for your family, it makes sense.

Considering all that I think his position becomes clear, and I for one firmly believe that he should do what is best for his family. I know that by stating such sentiments I am standing in the way of an almost universal countertide, but I have little problem with Dunta or his stance.

[Nconroe]

Well, just for the sake of discussion, if Dunta were really upset, and became a locker room cancer,or really wants out of town, and likely that is not the case, but if it was judged to be true by those close enough to know, then it would help win games if he were not here. But, if it is just negotiating, no hard feelings, everyone is positive, all the teammates are ok, then keep him, assuming he can play good enough to make the team, like he did three years ago. And maybe he gets a long term deal and everyone is happy and even more happy once we go to the playoffs. We seem to get mixed signals out of Dunta and his agents, so we get confused on the best way forward as well.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Nconroe

Well, just for the sake of discussion, if Dunta were really upset, and became a locker room cancer,or really wants out of town, and likely that is not the case, but if it was judged to be true by those close enough to know, then it would help win games if he were not here. But, if it is just negotiating, no hard feelings, everyone is positive, all the teammates are ok, then keep him, assuming he can play good enough to make the team, like he did three years ago. And maybe he gets a long term deal and everyone is happy and even more happy once we go to the playoffs. We seem to get mixed signals out of Dunta and his agents, so we get confused on the best way forward as well.

Sounds like a fair enough assessment.

[popanot]

So now that Daniels has decided to take the Dunta route, I guess we should jettison him too.

Greedy bastards!!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6466951.html

[bckey]

I think Dunta's case is unique. He turned down what pretty much everyone except him thinks is a more than fair offer and long term deal. The guy doesn't want to play in Houston and he is mad because he got franchised.

[NBT]

Originally Posted by popanot

So now that Daniels has decided to take the Dunta route, I guess we should jettison him too.

Greedy bastards!!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6466951.html

It's the nature of the NFL beast right now. The CBA is about to exprire and the players whose contracts are expiring are getting antsy over their money. Right now I can't put Daniels in the same league with Robinson. Owen is restricted and Dunta is F-tagged. Lots of difference there. Owen is mildly confused, Dunta is foaming at the mouth over the F-tag. I would placate Owen and get rid of the other.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by bckey

It doesn't really come down to how DRob compares to the elite cb's of the NFL. It comes down to his unwillingness to sign what was reported to be a Chris Gamble type contract. The Texans offered him elite money even with the unsurety of him ever being what he was pre-injury. Instead the Texans had to franchise him so that he couldn't just walk. Dunta has made it pretty clear he doesn't want to play in Houston with his actions not necessarily his words. He said he would report to camp if the Texans would promise not to franchise him next year. He wants to play somewhere else. He has alienated himself from most Texan fans that used to be behind him 100%. I'm worried he will be a cancer in the lockeroom this year because he feels he has been disrespected by Rick Smith and the fans are really getting tired of all his whining. I say get rid of him now and be done with him.

Who cares if he alienated fans? That has nothing to do with anything. I would hope that those alienated fans care more about winning and what's best for the team.

If we can't get a player for Dunta their is absolutely ZERO reason to trade him before next year's draft. Use him for what he's worth before he leaves if that's what he wants. The franchise tag gives us all the power here and letting him get his way for pouting just because some fans don't like him anymore would be foolish.