Official Texans vs. Patriots Game Thread, 12/1/2013

[barrett]

Originally Posted by popanot

Part of Mario's problem was that he was a #1 overall draft pick in the years prior to the new rookie wage scale and his salary/contract payout was already astronomical. I doubt there was anyone within the organization who really wanted Mario to go, but when you factor in his salary level at that the time vs. his production (and injury issues), there was no way the Texans could justify signing him to another monster deal. Had he been drafted #1 post-rookie wage scale, I firmly believe he would've gotten a second contract from the Texans.

As for the Joseph or Manning signings, I don't see how anyone can question those. They both were good deals and good players at the time and those signings greatly upgraded two positions in serious need of upgrade. It's easy in hindsight to look back and say they should have done this or that, but other than Coach Reed, I don't recall anyone on this board having a big problem with any of the FA moves Smith has made over the years at the time they occurred.

Looking back, the Carr deal was bad (can't recall if Smith was here then or not), the Ahman Green deal was bad (think that was Casserly), the Reed deal was bad (and thus letting Quinn walk), the last Schaub deal was bad, the Foster deal is looking bad, the Cushing deal might turn out bad... Ugh!

Re: the manning and Joseph extensions, I wasn't questioning those in my post (or even the foster and schaub ones). Debating the merit of past contracts was not my intent. I was simply pointing out we made many big money moves that were a part of us prioritizing other positions over edge rusher. We chose to fill some holes with extensions, some with FAs, and some with draft picks. In that whole process we judged that we could let a known quantity in Mario (and Barwin) walk, and replace enough of his production with a draft pick. We could have let Foster walk, tried to replace him with a draft pick and failed just as miserably. We could have bet on 2nd rounder Brandon Harris instead of 2nd rounder Reed, and never signed Joseph and that would have been a fail.

Basically we screwed up the OLB position in every possible way and our reward is watching brooks reed run at the OT 50 times a game to setup a weak spin move that never works.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by barrett

Basically we screwed up the OLB position in every possible way and our reward is watching brooks reed run at the OT 50 times a game to setup a weak spin move that never works.

Painful. The lack of success at either OLB position is made even more painful knowing that this defense has in J.J. Watt someone who may be the best interior DL of his generation. Sorta like having an Andre Johnson and only giving him David Carr and Matt Schaub to pass him the football.

Given how little Reed and Mercilus have produced, seems like we'd have no special ties to keeping the 3-4 if someone wanted to change it next year.

[chuck]

Given the fact that the team has no linebackers at all who a) don't suck or b) can stay on the fng field I would be all in favor of a scheme that reduces the number of required linebackers.

I would also be interested in any scheme which reduces the necessary number of competent members of the defensive secondary.

When I'm 80 years old I'm going to watch the Hall of Fame weekend and I'm going to see Andre and JJ there in their jackets, old and gray and who knows, maybe even fat. They'll be welcoming the new guys, guys who are kids now, toddlers maybe even. And they'll be laughing with each other about how f'd up their franchise was and how wildly mismanaged and what a waste the whole thing was. And when I see that I'm going to throw my goddamn walker right through the window.