Official 2011 NFL Draft Rounds 4-7 Thread

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Arky

Derek Newton, T, Ark St.

Seems to be a developmental swing guy. Has good size and solid feet. Can get to the 2nd level. I would guess he is a practice squad guy and/or insurance for Butler being a FA.

[painekiller]

Could we get Ian Williams or Chris Neild to play NT?

Or Jeremy Beal Oklahoma to convert to OLB and possible spend time on the PS?

[painekiller]

Wow Deandre McDaniel and Deunta Williams have not been taken, both solid safeties could one of them be 254?

[Arky]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Wow Deandre McDaniel and Deunta Williams have not been taken, both solid safeties could one of them be 254?

There is still the UDFA process.... The Texans probably got there eye on a few of these....

[painekiller]

FYI on Keo from thehuddlereport.com

Shiloh Keo S Idaho


TALENT BOARD

Round 2



STRENGTHS

Shiloh has the aggressiveness and the leadership ability you look for in a safety to impact at the next level. He is tough as nails and has the football instincts to strike in lightning-quick fashion like Bob Sanders (S Colts). Shiloh is very smart and understands situational football. He has a presence out on the field that everyone who plays with him, coaches him, coaches against him and plays against him sees and respects. Shiloh will impact as a starting safety and be your team's featured player on all special teams units. He has very quick feet and is a head up, wrap up, squeeze and drive tackler. He leads by example and makes the players around him better by example. He is a team player all the way. In spite of what I have just written, I suspect that Shiloh (Nails) Keo would need a search dog assigned to every team in this draft to find him and draft him in the first three rounds.



CONCERNS

Shiloh is too small, too slow and not athletic enough play his position at the next level. He has to play at such a high level of destruction that injuries will be a concern. All of this said, if your team doesn't draft him and has to play against him in the same division, I pity your team.



BOTTOM LINE

As I stated, Shiloh is undersized, slow and too limited athletically to play his position at the next level. However, when he is on the field, he is a difference maker and your team's defense takes on a whole different persona. It becomes vicious and calculating in it's thinking and execution. Your defense becomes unpredictable. Wide Receivers catch the ball with one eye looking into the line of scrimmage and the other eye looking out to the defensive backfield. In a two-deep zone, running backs will do anything to run to the other side of the field from Shiloh only to be tackled for losses and short gains. This kid will be in the head of a QB and an offensive coordinator a week before the game. He is the type of player that an offense has to game plan for in both the run and the pass games. Bob Sanders (S Colts) was drafted in the 2nd round of the 2004 draft. When he was on the field, the Colts' defense was a different defense and he was responsible for that. Shiloh has that same ability. His instincts, quickness, football intelligence and do anything attitude for the team makes a huge difference. Draft this kid in any round and I know you will never be sorry. He is the type of kid that if you asked him to go into the game and play nose guard in a 3-4 defense, he would do it and make an impact play. Using the two board system, you will see that Shiloh (Nails) Keo might not be drafted until the later rounds. The good news is that this will not change his impact the day after you draft him. He will impact for your team like a player who was selected in the 2nd round. That's the round I would look very hard at drafting Shiloh. This kid is a football player. He is not a track star trying to play football...he is just a football player. You know what you're drafting with this kid. He is a fighter, a leader. Shiloh strikes me as the type of person who helps others and goes towards the catastrophe to do just that instead of running to save himself. He is tough as nails and will hold up your defense when others can't. That's what I see on the film when I watch this kid play. I see Bob Sanders.

The BS Detector

Drew Boylhart March/11

[Arky]

Mr. Irrelevent - Cheta Ozougwu, DE, Rice

[Arky]

Round 7 in the books:

Player Pos. Team Grade
1 Virgil Green TE Broncos 77
2 Lazarius Levingston DE Seahawks 30
3 Justin Rogers DB Bills 42
4 Korey Lindsey DB Bengals 43
5 Greg McElroy QB Jets 49
6 Johnny Culbreath OT Lions 30
7 Andrew Jackson OG Falcons 59
8 Bruce Miller DE 49ers 57
9 Zach Clayton DT Titans 44
10 Brandyn Thompson DB Redskins 33
11 Derek Newton OT Texans 49
12 De'Aundre Reed DE Vikings 43
13 Mikail Baker -- Rams --
14 Maurice Hurt OG Redskins 43
15 Ryan Taylor TE Packers --
16 Malcolm Williams -- Patriots --
17 Shaun Chapas FB Cowboys 48
18 Da'Rel Scott RB Giants 38
19 Anthony Gaitor DB Buccaneers 49
20 Shane Bannon RB Chiefs --
21 Markus White DE Redskins 31
22 Anthony Allen RB Ravens 49
23 Greg Romeus DE Saints 62
24 Scotty McKnight WR Jets 30
25 Jabara Williams OLB Rams 37
26 Jonathan Nelson DB Rams 37
27 Cliff Matthews DE Falcons 73
28 Frank Kearse DT Dolphins 20
29 Baron Batch RB Steelers 30
30 Lawrence Guy DT Packers 66
31 Andrew Gachkar OLB Chargers 30
32 Jimmy Wilson -- Dolphins --
33 Stephen Burton WR Vikings 39
34 Greg Lloyd ILB Eagles 34
35 Daniel Hardy TE Buccaneers 49
36 Michael Person OT 49ers 30
37 Stanley Havili FB Eagles 36
38 David Ausberry WR Raiders 30
39 Malcolm Smith OLB Seahawks 30
40 Nathan Bussey OLB Saints 31
41 Lee Ziemba OT Panthers 71
42 MIchael Jasper DT Bills --
43 Jay Finley RB Bengals 30
44 Jeremy Beal DE Broncos 70
45 Eric Hagg S Browns 58
46 Demarco Sampson WR Cardinals 30
47 Curtis Holcomb DB 49ers 20
48 Tommie Campbell S Titans 20
49 Bill Nagy -- Cowboys --
50 Christopher Neild DT Redskins 31
51 Cheta Ozougwu DE Texans 34

[painekiller]

Guys that were not drafted. BY NFL.com 's draft grade

Burney, Kendric DB 5'9" 186 North Carolina 6.3
Ziemba, Daniel OL 6'6" 317 Auburn 6.0
McDaniel, Deandre SS 6'0" 217 Clemson 5.7
Locke, Derrick RB 5'8" 188 Kentucky 5.6
Lockette, Ricardo WR 6'2" 211 Fort Valley St. 5.2
Williams, Deunta CB 6'2" 205 North Carolina 4.8
Williams, Ian DL 6'1" 319 Notre Dame 4.8
Bellore, Nick LB 6'1" 245 Central Michigan 4.8
Hamler, Jamel WR 6'1" 193 Fresno St. 4.6
Adams, Darvin WR 6'2" 190 Auburn 4.5
Saunders, Weslye TE 6'5" 270 South Carolina 4.5
Thornton, Cedric DL 6'3" 309 Southern Arkansas 4.5
Lutrus, Scott LB 6'2" 241 Connecticut 4.3
Toliver, Terrence WR 6'4" 212 LSU 4.3
Clay, John RB 6'1" 230 Wisconsin 4.2
Cooper, Graig RB 5'10" 205 Miami 4.2
Allen, Pierre DL 6'4" 273 Nebraska 4.1
Davis, Joshua OL 6'7" 313 Georgia 4.1
Herzlich, Mark LB 6'4" 244 Boston College 4.1
Lemon, Orie LB 6'1" 242 Oklahoma St. 4.1
Sanzenbacher, Dane WR 5'11" 182 Ohio St. 4.0
Winterswyk, Ryan DL 6'4" 268 Boise St. 4.0
Devlin, Patrick QB 6'3" 225 Delaware 3.9
Parker, Martin DL 6'2" 303 Richmond 3.9
Forbath, Kai K 5'11" 197 UCLA 3.8
Hurd, Zachary OL 6'7" 316 Connecticut 3.8
Johnson, Jeron SS 5'10" 212 Boise St. 3.8
McGee, Andrew DB 5'11" 195 Oklahoma St. 3.8
Lefeged, Joe DB 6'0" 210 Rutgers 3.3
Henry, Chas P 6'3" 215 Florida 2.1

Now I am not saying pick all these guys, but many of these guys will be the most coveted UDFA guys.

[chuck]

Are NFL teams prohibited from contacted the undrafted guys or are they simply prohibited from signing them at this point?

[Arky]

Originally Posted by chuck

Are NFL teams prohibited from contacted the undrafted guys or are they simply prohibited from signing them at this point?

Ya, Vandermeer said on the radio no contact can be made with UDFAs until the NFL straightens out their mess. So, all those guys are in limbo until then...

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by Arky

Mr. Irrelevent - Cheta Ozougwu, DE, Rice

Local guy and a real student/athlete as it seems he's carrying a 3.4 with an Econ major. Texans throw in some pos PR along with the pick. And he's a 255 lb DE which obviously means an OLB in our 3-4. I like it all the way around !

[Fonz the Boss]

Im very excited about this year's team... especially on the defensive side. Now if they could only end the lockout so all these guys can get to work.

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Another weak armed QB with no escape skills, Kubaik really has no clue when it comes to drafting QBs late, this is another Alex Brink, he could have gotten this kid as a UDFA.

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?


LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by WMH

Hey, PK - What are your thoughts on Yates now?


LOL - Just jesting with you a bit.

I will own up to being a reactionary draft watcher.

But I think there is another post from the week following the draft where I soften my take on this pick. After the draft was over I remember watching TJ bringing back North Carolina to beat a danged good LSU. So once I started remembering the couple of games I saw of Carolina, I liked the pick.

Also I believe I sung the praises of TJ at the the open practices this summer.

I will own up to being stupid for not having TJ on my radar

[WMH]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I will own up to being a reactionary draft watcher.

But I think there is another post from the week following the draft where I soften my take on this pick. After the draft was over I remember watching TJ bringing back North Carolina to beat a danged good LSU. So once I started remembering the couple of games I saw of Carolina, I liked the pick.

Also I believe I sung the praises of TJ at the the open practices this summer.

I will own up to being stupid for not having TJ on my radar

Its all good man. Hard to find a diamond in the rough QB3 out of 10,000 candidates, especially with "normal" resources.

I just find it amusing to go back and read all of our bitching, and later to find out I/we were wrong, and the guys that get paid big bucks for doing it were actually right.

But that one time we do get something over them.......