The first 17 picks Saturday.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Vinny

not if they all turn into Faggins and Fletcher....generally, all you get in the later rounds is more of the same kind of player that is good enough to make a bad team but probably not good enough to be a solid nickel back anywhere else.

What normal playoff team has a nickle back that was drafted in the 1st, and the starting CBs both under 28 years of age? Not sure I have seen that mix on any team but the Colts who never have the cap room to keep most of the LBs or CBs after their rookie contracts.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

What normal playoff team has a nickle back that was drafted in the 1st, and the starting CBs both under 28 years of age? Not sure I have seen that mix on any team but the Colts who never have the cap room to keep most of the LBs or CBs after their rookie contracts.

I'm thinking Bennett eventually becomes your nickel back with two first round talents as your starters. If Bennett proves he can start with Dunta and (fill in the blank)...well, thats a good problem. Much better than rolling into the season with Bennett as your best cornerback and hoping he is a NFL starter long term with Kukla Fran and Ollie behind him with Dunta on the bench hoping to be what he used to be after a massive surgery.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I'm thinking Bennett eventually becomes your nickel back with two first round talents as your starters.

You beat me to it.

Currently, Fred is our best CB so everyone simply assumes that means the rookie CB would become the Nickle once/if Dunta comes back. I'd feel much more comfortable having such a talented rookie on the roster who forced Fred to become the Nickle. Heck we spent a 4th round pick on this kid last year and got lucky. If Dunta isn't the same or doesn't come back from injury, I'd be happier knowing that Fred is the #2 instead of Jacques Reeves.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Vinny

I'm thinking Bennett eventually becomes your nickel back with two first round talents as your starters. If Bennett proves he can start with Dunta and (fill in the blank)...well, thats a good problem. Much better than rolling into the season with Bennett as your best cornerback and hoping he is a NFL starter long term with Kukla Fran and Ollie behind him with Dunta on the bench hoping to be what he used to be after a massive surgery.

I can see that, but me I like having a starter getting paid way below average for his position (if he is producing average to above average).

Paying Reeves the big contract to be a dime is the thing that confuses this for me. 20MM is a high price for a guy that is your 3rd or 4th best player at a position (8MM guaranteed, please) , and the 1st really bad move made by Smith.

Dunta (and I am making a big assumption here) comes back and gets a big payday, Reeves is getting a big payday, and then you add a another 1st round pick to this mix. And my nickle is Bennett? I see cap trouble coming...

BTW Vinny, good to see you back on our board, have missed your take on things.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

BTW Vinny, good to see you back on our board, have missed your take on things.

Thanks, I've always been a big fan of Keith, Warren, Bob and Dave....glad to see Keith get this project going.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I can see that, but me I like having a starter getting paid way below average for his position (if he is producing average to above average).

Paying Reeves the big contract to be a dime is the thing that confuses this for me. 20MM is a high price for a guy that is your 3rd or 4th best player at a position (8MM guaranteed, please) , and the 1st really bad move made by Smith.

Dunta (and I am making a big assumption here) comes back and gets a big payday, Reeves is getting a big payday, and then you add a another 1st round pick to this mix. And my nickle is Bennett? I see cap trouble coming...

BTW Vinny, good to see you back on our board, have missed your take on things.

Reeves will be at worst the nickle back unless he just lays an egg on the field. with the money they invested in him they have to think he is the real deal. i am not going to say it was a bad move by smith yet, especially since he hasn't even suited up in a texans uniform yet. i think smith and kubs have earned the benefit of the doubt on player evaluation up to this point, so unless/until Reeves is a bust on the field i am going to hold my assesment. I do think having reeves pretty much means that the odds of taking cb in the first round are low. i think if there is a LT there they like they take him, even if a corner is there that they have rated the same. otherwise i think they will be trying to trade the pick.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by cadams

i am not going to say it was a bad move by smith yet, especially since he hasn't even suited up in a texans uniform yet. i think smith and kubs have earned the benefit of the doubt on player evaluation up to this point, so unless/until Reeves is a bust on the field i am going to hold my assesment.

Your correct, I miss stated. I meant, if the Texans draft CB in the first, especially a stud CB, and Dunta makes it back to start this season, then the Reeves contract looks pretty bad.

It reminds me of the team signing a certain LDE to a huge contract and then drafting a LDE #1.

Also just to be clear? You think 20MM for a nickle is a good contract? I don't and I also think Bennett is a solid CB, and at worse can be a above average nickle, so no need for the Reeves deal IMO.

[cadams]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Your correct, I miss stated. I meant, if the Texans draft CB in the first, especially a stud CB, and Dunta makes it back to start this season, then the Reeves contract looks pretty bad.

It reminds me of the team signing a certain LDE to a huge contract and then drafting a LDE #1.

Also just to be clear? You think 20MM for a nickle is a good contract? I don't and I also think Bennett is a solid CB, and at worse can be a above average nickle, so no need for the Reeves deal IMO.

no, i don't think that is necessarily a good contract. i think the hope is that bennett ends up being the nickle and reeves the starter if dunta makes a full recovery. that said, with all the multiple receiver sets teams run a nickle back is probably on the field 60+% of the plays

[Arky]

My Magic 8-ball says the Texans won't be picking at 18....

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

if the Texans draft CB in the first, especially a stud CB, and Dunta makes it back to start this season, then the Reeves contract looks pretty bad.

Perhaps the Texans were under the impression that Albert or Williams would be available at #18 when they signed Reeves. Both have really climbed up draft boards (at least in mock drafts) since the signing. If they were confident that OL was the way to go in the 1st round, then they wouldn't want to be caught without a decent #2 CB on the roster like last year. Things have changed in terms of what people are projecting for tomorrow in terms of the talent at positions that will be available at #18.

If the Texans are truly one of those teams who believe that you should take the BPA and Albert and Williams are gone, then drafting some other LT would be a NEED pick. As much as I like Carl Nicks, I am really considering the possibility that his off-field issues could slide him down in the draft. If they select Duane Brown at #18- I might cry.

I'm wondering if we didn't select a CB because of Reeve's contract, bypassed a RB because of the money we have invested in Green and Brown (with Taylor on the roster), ignore the OL because the best talent is off the board and Gibbs is here to work magic; might the Texans look at some wild-ass position? I mean would we consider Jerod Mayo, James Hardy, Philip Merling, or Kentwan Balmer because they are the BPA?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I mean would we consider Jerod Mayo, James Hardy, Philip Merling, or Kentwan Balmer because they are the BPA?

Now you are starting to get what I have been thinking about a week.

Except if Mendenhall is there, I have to jump on him.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

As much as I like Carl Nicks, I am really considering the possibility that his off-field issues could slide him down in the draft. If they select Duane Brown at #18- I might cry.

Okay, Carl Nicks is still on the board, Antoine Cason went at #27, and we drafted Duane Brown.

I'm officially, not happy.