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[mussop]

Originally Posted by idymoe

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

1. Aaron Maybin No thanks, he doesnt fit here.

2. Paul Kruger With only one kidney this is too high for him.

3. Chip Vaughn Now youre taliking.

4a. Lawrence Sidbury EH!

4b. A.Q. Shipley Bla

5. Kory Irvin Bla

6. Ian Johnson I jsut threw up in my mouth alittle.

7. Stephen Hodge Bla

Wow. Do you think that would help the defense any?

I dont think it would be a very good draft at all.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by idymoe

Okay, for fun, I took Roy's list and used players available on Drafttek on the 3/13 version.

Do you think that would help the defense any?

Well, I haven't updated my draftboard here, yet. However, I'll let you know that this is who I would be picking today on Friday the 13th. I've also included my "Athlete Index" just for kicks.

1. LB Clay Matthews 5.46
2. OC Eric Wood 5.00
3. S Chip Vaughn 5.42
4. DE Lawrence Sidbury 5.44
4. DE Kyle Moore 4.54
5. LB Scott McKillop 5.58
6. RB Ian Johnson 5.46
7. DT Roy Miller 5.31

Now, it appears that there is a little bit of trouble with this draft. Kyle Moore is new to my board and he has the lowest index of any of my draft picks. However, he has more potential than Robert Ayers, who is now a 1st round pick. He's also insurance in case Antonio Smith doesn't pan out. I felt weird drafting him after getting Sidbury, but he does offer something a little different.

Scott McKillop was also just too good to pass up at this point in the draft. He's probably going to be better at the MIKE, but with DeMeco here, I'll give him a shot at SAM. That makes Matthews the WILL.

I was hoping to get Cedric Peerman as my other RB in the 4th round instead of Kyle Moore, but he was off the board. Luckily, I was still able to get Ian Johnson to help out in the backfield. Another thought for the 4th round was to draft David Bruton instead of Sidbury to go along with Chip Vaughn in the Secondary. Then I'd only have 1 DE (Moore) in the draft to go along with a SS and a FS.

Lastly, Roy Miller might motivate Frank Okam to go to law school or start performing on the football field.

[idymoe]

Yours is heavy defense, as well. I know there is duplication of positions in my draft and yours. I think in an actual draft, if you went that many picks defense or offense and got 2 above average players right away, another that turned into above average in a few years and a couple of guys that could provide decent depth and play some special teams, that would be a successful draft.

[Roy P]

I have to say that I am very intrigued by Vontae Davis. The only reason I have Clay Matthews slotted ahead of him is because I am of the belief that I can find another player to put at FS later in the draft. The Texans appear to like both the SS and the FS to be very similar in their ability to stop the run to disguise who may be in the box. However, the thought of Vaughn and Davis makes me a happy guy.

The history of Vernon Davis and Jason Allen also gives me pause. Vernon, like his brother, put on a hellacious showing at the Combine. However, he has not put up the production that I would have expected. That may have something to do with the team and coaches he's been playing with, but I must put some of the responsibility on him. Jason Allen was another CB who was selected highly (16th) and expected to play FS without much results.

For those who do not remember Allen's numbers:

4.39 - 40, 1.5 - 10, 17 - Reps, 39.5" - Vert, 10'11" - Jump, 3.83 - Shuttle, 6.77 - Cone

Davis put up:
4.40 - 40, 1.47 - 10, 25 - Reps, 36" - Vert, 10' 5" - Jump, 4.07 - Shuttle, 6.75 - Cone

Now, it's not really fair to compare Vontae to his brother or even another athletic DB. However, it's in the back of my mind and pulling me towards Matthews.

Clay is not a bad athlete, to say the least;

4.62 - 40, 35.5" - Vert, 10'1" - Jump, 6.9 - Cone

But last year, Cliff Avril was the 3rd round pick (92) after his Combine:

4.59 - 40, 32.5" - Vert, 9'9" - Jump, 6.9 - Cone

So, I'm not quite sure if Clay is 77 picks better. However, this is a different draft. Clay is probably better in space and may be able to play the WILL, where Avril was simply a SAM/DE hybrid. Also, there aren't many LBs in THIS draft who come close to offering what Mathews does in terms of size, speed, and pass-rushing ability. Conversely, I can get a player like David Bruton or Chris Clemons on the 2nd day of the draft who may be able to match Vontae Davis's athleticism. Obviously, they aren't considered to be in the same level by the "experts" because of what they did and didn't do on the field in college. Nor are they possible lockdown CBs, which is considered the more valuable position by many.

As many of you know, I'm aware that football is more than just numbers at the Combine. However, I think that they must be considered in order to keep evaluators objective.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

4. DE Kyle Moore 4.54

Kyle Moore is new to my board and he has the lowest index of any of my draft picks. However, he has more potential that Robert Ayers, who is now a 1st round pick.

Just to finish this thought. The Texans were supposedly interested in Mike Montgomery of the Packers, so Kyle Moore isn't a crazy idea.

I also thought I'd compare Moore, Ayers, and Kruger.

Name------School---Height---Weight---40---Reps---Vert---20---10---Jump---3-Cone---Shuttle---Explosion---Quickness---Athlete
Paul Kruger-Utah-6' 4 1/4"---263lbs---4.83----24----32.5--2.76--1.6----9-----7.52-------4.47------65.5--------13.59----4.82
Robert Ayers-Tenn-6' 3 1/8"-272lbs---4.77----18----29.5--2.78--1.66---8.5----7.58------4.51------56----------13.75----4.07
Kyle Moore--USC--6' 5"-----272lbs----4.81----22----30.5--280--1.62---8.75---7.4-------4.47-------61.25------13.49----4.54

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

It's my draft board for the Texans. If I were the GM and the draft were held today, that would be what I would use to draft players for the the team.

Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

[painekiller]

Just a small commercial for Ian Johnson, he was a top 5 RB in the forty at the combine. He has been nothing short of a TD machine in his college career. He also is a team player.

If you can get a RB who broke Marshall Faulk college TD record in the 6th round, you have to take a shot on him IMO.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Just out of curiousity, no overtones intended, how has the board done in past drafts.

It's met or exceeded the S&P 500 over the last 5 year average.

To tell you the truth, I can't recall every pick. The HPF.com site is no longer and that is where I had all of my boards. Just going with the 1st round picks, I would have gone with these....

2004 : DE Will Smith
2005 : WR Mark Clayton
2006 : LB AJ Hawk
2007 : LB Patrick Willis
2008 : CB Antoine Cason

[Keith]

I think the question is more about Roy's board, but on the old site, at least for the first 4 or 5 drafts, I kept a pretty short board of picks up through the Texans first round selection which I still have archived.

2002 - LT Bryant McKinnie (Carr was pre-determined by January... I had Peppers and McKinnie at the top, slight edge to McKinnie since JP didn't seem like a good fit for the 3-4)
2003 - WR Charles Rogers (WR Angry Dre was next)
2004 - DE Will Smith (Dunta was next)
2005 - LB Derrick Johnson (before the trade-down at least ...Travis Johnson was my highest rated DT/34DE for awhile before the draft)
2006 - DE Mario Williams (I was down on Reggie but expected Texans to take him.)
2007 - didn't officially commit a list, or can't recall one. It probably would have come down to LB Patrick Willis and CBs Leon Hall and Darrelle Revis. My mock nearly won the overall ESPN.com contest though... would have won a Hummer if I predicted the Okoye pick!!! Ugh.
2008 - didn't officially commit a list (was building ItB!). Once the majority of the LTs were gone though, I had my eye on RB Rashard Mendenhall

There were obviously players I liked more that were taken before the Texans were on the clock, and there was a draft or two in which I might have considered a trade up.

[idymoe]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Just a small commercial for Ian Johnson, he was a top 5 RB in the forty at the combine. He has been nothing short of a TD machine in his college career. He also is a team player.

If you can get a RB who broke Marshall Faulk college TD record in the 6th round, you have to take a shot on him IMO.

In addition to that, he is a very hard worker, great in the locker room and will play special teams. You might say he's a tough player, too. He finished one game with a bruised kidney and another with a partially collapsed lung.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boises...ry/189481.html

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by idymoe

In addition to that, he is a very hard worker, great in the locker room and will play special teams. You might say he's a tough player, too. He finished one game with a bruised kidney and another with a partially collapsed lung.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/boises...ry/189481.html

I forget he is in your backyard, you sold me on him a month or so back.

Now I am not saying go for him in the 1st, but he seems to be deep on most "guru's " RB list. That has the potential to make a guy with his attributes a steal.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Keith

I think the question is more about Roy's board, but on the old site, at least for the first 4 or 5 drafts, I kept a pretty short board of picks up through the Texans first round selection which I still have archived.

2002 - LT Bryant McKinnie (Carr was pre-determined by January... I had Peppers and McKinnie at the top, slight edge to McKinnie since JP didn't seem like a good fit for the 3-4)
2003 - WR Charles Rogers (WR Angry Dre was next)
2004 - DE Will Smith (Dunta was next)
2005 - LB Derrick Johnson (before the trade-down at least ...Travis Johnson was my highest rated DT/34DE for awhile before the draft)
2006 - DE Mario Williams (I was down on Reggie but expected Texans to take him.)
2007 - didn't officially commit a list, or can't recall one. It probably would have come down to LB Patrick Willis and CBs Leon Hall and Darrelle Revis. My mock nearly won the overall ESPN.com contest though... would have won a Hummer if I predicted the Okoye pick!!! Ugh.
2008 - didn't officially commit a list (was building ItB!). Once the majority of the LTs were gone though, I had my eye on RB Rashard Mendenhall

There were obviously players I liked more that were taken before the Texans were on the clock, and there was a draft or two in which I might have considered a trade up.

Funny looking back at it though. 2006, I like Hawk but there is no way I would advocate using the first round on a linebacker, but I was pissed that we didn't take Reggie Bush. I would still eventually like to see what he could do in a Denver style offense.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Funny looking back at it though. 2006, I like Hawk but there is no way I would advocate using the first round on a linebacker, but I was pissed that we didn't take Reggie Bush. I would still eventually like to see what he could do in a Denver style offense.

About 30% less than Steve Slaton.

[Roy P]

March 14th update. Happy Steak and BJ day to everyone.

1 LB Aaron Curry
2 DT B.J. Raji
3 LB Clay Matthews
4 CB Vontae Davis
5 DE Brian Orakpo
6 DE Everette Brown
7 DT Ziggy Hood
8 DE Aaron Maybin
9 RB Donald Brown
10 DT Peria Jerry
11 OC Eric Wood
12 S William Moore
13 OC Max Unger
14 OC Alex Mack
15 S Chip Vaughn
16 DE Paul Kruger
17 DE Robert Ayers
18 S Patrick Chung
19 DT Sen'Derrick Marks
20 DE Lawrence Sidbury
21 RB Cedric Peerman
22 RB Andre Brown
23 RB Rashad Jennings
24 LB Gerald McGrath
25 RB Shonn Greene
26 TE Shawn Nelson
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe
28 S David Bruton
29 WR Mike Thomas
30 S Chris Clemons
31 S Rashad Johnson
32 DE Kyle Moore
33 OC A.Q. Shipley
34 LB Scott McKillop
35 LB Cody Brown
36 DT Alex Magee
37 OC Antoine Caldwell
38 DT Corvey Irvin
39 OG Gerald Cadogan
40 RB Ian Johnson
41 RB Glen Coffee
42 QB Stephen McGee
43 LB Lee Robinson
44 RB Kory Sheets
45 S C.J. Spillman
46 QB John Parker Wilson
47 DT Roy Miller
48 DT Terrence Taylor
49 DT Dorell Scott
50 WR Kevin Ogletree
51 DE Stryker Sulak
52 WR Demetrius Byrd
53 RB Javarris Williams
54 LB Stephen Hodge
55 LB Victor Butler
56 DE Will Davis
57 S Keith Fitzhugh
58 DT Ra'Shon Harris
59 DT Myron Pryor
60 DT Terrence Knighton
61 DE Pierre Walters
62 QB David Johnson
63 RB Marlon Lucky

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

About 30% less than Steve Slaton.

If we had positive reps you would have earned one there.

[James]

Originally Posted by Roy P

March 14th update. Happy Steak and BJ day to everyone.

You must be a restaurant man Roy . . .it was an interesting night asking my guests if they were celebrating anything.

[Roy P]

1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.78
8 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
9 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
10 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98

11 S Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
12 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
13 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
14 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
15 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
16 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
17 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77
18 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
19 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00

20 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
23 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
24 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
25 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65

26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63
28 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
29 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
30 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
31 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
32 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
33 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81

34 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
35 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
36 S Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
37 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
38 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96
39 OG Gerald Cadogan Penn St 6' 5 1/8" 309 4.99

40 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
41 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
42 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
43 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
44 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
45 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76
46 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
47 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.21
48 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 312 4.95
49 WR Kevin Ogletree Virginia 6' 1" 196 4.38

50 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
51 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35
52 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
53 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
54 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 2" 262 4.84
55 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
56 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
57 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
58 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
59 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
60 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78
61 QB David Johnson Tulsa 6' 2" 217 4.76
62 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 216 4.55

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by Roy P

I have no desire whatsoever of trying to rank over 300 players in terms of fit and need for the Texans.

What I try to do is to simply distill all those choices into 50 or so players who would be a good addition to the Texans roster.

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by Roy P

It appears that I've found a kindred spirit. Please take a look at this guy's web site.

http://www.profootballdraftnetwork.com/

"The goal of ProFootballDraftNetwork.com is to cut through the clutter and identify in detail the draft’s impact players, top values (where a team really succeeds on draft day) and biggest risks."

"We will not be presenting to you 400 or 500 scouting reports. Instead, prospects are filtered out that are evaluated to be unlikely to make an NFL team or who will essentially have a cup of coffee in the league as a mediocre reserve. Our draft board will be whittled down as the season progresses and fans can view our final draft board and detailed scouting reports on approximately 90 prospects. The final draft board reveals the prospects rated to be future productive starters, strong contributors on special teams and those who should provide quality depth."

Denis Krusos
Editor

I checked out that cite and I liked it. Two quotes I especially liked:

"The best way to stop today’s pass-friendly NFL offenses is to put the quarterback on his back."

"... the name of the game for the defense is rushing the quarterback. The offense typically wins if the quarterback has time to throw and protecting the blindside is crucial."

One thing I disagree with him about, though, is his listing of Bomar as a value pick. It appears to me that he hasn't actually seen Bomar play any games. Bomar looks great on paper or even in practuce, but put eleven defensive players in front of him and he quickly melts down. If he ever becomes a solid NFL starter I will be greatly surprised.

[Roy P]

Okay, this is the last board for March and I've added some CB's. I really like Clay Matthews, but I just can't pull the trigger if Jeremy Maclin is on the board. If Maclin and my other 1st round picks are available, I'm looking to trade down as far as #20 and take the BPA.

1st round talent
1 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 1 3/4" 254 4.52
2 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1 1/2" 337 5.12
3 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 1 1/2" 256 4.66
4 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 3" 263 4.63
5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 0" 198 4.45
6 LB Clay Matthews USC 6 '3 1/8" 240 4.62
7 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10 1/4" 210 4.48
8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98
9 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 217 4.58
10 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 5' 11 1/8" 203 4.40

2nd round
11 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 2 7/8" 300 4.88
12 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.50
13 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 3 3/4" 249 4.62
14 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 310 5.19
15 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 309 5.28
16 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.12
17 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio State 6' 1" 239 4.67
18 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 4 1/4" 263 4.83
19 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3 1/8" 272 4.77

3rd round
20 SS Chip Vaughn Wake Forest 6' 1 3/8" 221 4.45
21 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 231 4.58
22 SS Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 212 4.49
23 OT Jamon Meredith South Carolina 6' 5" 304 4.99
24 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 5.00
25 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0 1/8" 224 4.47
26 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 240 4.52
27 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 10.5" 227 4.65
28 FS Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 203 4.49
29 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 2 3/8" 266 4.57
30 CB Asher Allen Georgia 5' 10" 194 4.48
31 LB Gerald McGrath Southern Miss 6' 2" 231 4.49
32 DE Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 244 4.76
33 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.63

4th round
34 TE Cornelius Ingram Florida 6' 4" 245 4.68
35 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 216 4.39
36 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 195 4.35
37 FS David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 219 4.41
38 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 195 4.47
39 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.72
40 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.21
41 DE Kyle Moore USC 6' 5" 272 4.81
42 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.61
43 RB Glen Coffee Alabama 6' 0" 209 4.52
44 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 301 4.96

5th round
45 FS Chris Clemons Clemson 6' 0" 208 4.38
46 FS C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.45
47 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 9 1/2" 223 4.51
48 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.76

6th round
49 RB Ian Johnson Boise State 5' 11" 212 4.42
50 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11 1/8" 208 4.39
51 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 304 5.19
52 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 0" 199 4.35

7th round
53 DT Roy Miller Texas 6' 1" 310 4.98
54 DE Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 248 4.77
55 DT Terrence Knighton Temple 6' 3" 321 5.21
56 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0 1/4" 319 5.08
57 CB Don Carey Norfolk State 5' 11" 192 4.49
58 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 249 4.74
59 SS Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.56
60 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 4.99
61 LB Stephen Hodge TCU 6' 0" 234 4.58
62 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 4 1/2" 251 4.70
63 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78