Denver signs tender w/David Anderson [Texans Match Offer]

Nconroe · #1 02-27-2009, 10:19 PM

well, Denver has been pretty active today, but not really impressive gets it seems. I guess I'd match this 4.5 offer, but its close. Good for David though.

popanot · #2 02-27-2009, 10:27 PM

Can these RFA offers contain poison pills? I wonder if there's something hidden in the offer that would prevent us from matching? Honestly though, I'm not as worried as some about losing DA. I really don't think he brought anything to the table that AD/JJ/OD/Dressen or a decent FA/draft pick couldn't take up the slack on. DA was good at finding an open slot in the 5~10yd. range, but he was never a deep threat or a threat to break a big play.

Keith · #3 02-27-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Can these RFA offers tenders contain poison pills? I wonder if there's something hidden in the offer that would prevent us from matching?

Theoretically, yes. But usually the poison pill is to front-load the cap figure to make it harder for a cap-laden team to match. The Texans have ample cap room, so I doubt there is anything fishy here.

I can understand the casual attitude from some thinking it's okay to let Anderson go (I'm guessing he would probably relish a return to Colorado).

It's probably something the Bengals felt when the Texans signed Kevin Walter to an offer sheet for a 7th rounder. Nothing too exhorbitant in the offer, no poison pill, just more than the Bengals wanted to pay since they felt they had a deep WR corps, what with T.J. Whosyourmama, OchoCinco, and Chris Henry. Fast foward to 2009... think the Bengals would like Walter back?

Walter had 19-211-1 (11.1 avg) for a statline in 2005. Anderson in 2008 had 19-241-2 (12.7 avg). They look different in person, but otherwise the comparison is eerily similar.

popanot · #4 02-27-2009, 10:50 PM

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Theoretically, yes. But usually the poison pill is to front-load the cap figure to make it harder for a cap-laden team to match. The Texans have ample cap room, so I doubt there is anything fishy here.

I can understand the casual attitude from some thinking it's okay to let Anderson go (I'm guessing he would probably relish a return to Colorado).

It's probably something the Bengals felt when the Texans signed Kevin Walter to an offer sheet for a 7th rounder. Nothing too exhorbitant in the offer, no poison pill, just more than the Bengals wanted to pay since they felt they had a deep WR corps, what with T.J. Whosyourmama, OchoCinco, and Chris Henry. Fast foward to 2009... think the Bengals would like Walter back?

Walter had 19-211-1 (11.1 avg) for a statline in 2005. Anderson in 2008 had 19-241-2 (12.7 avg). They look different in person, but otherwise the comparison is eerily similar.

I was thinking a poision pill like; "If player XYZ plays X amount of games in Texas the player gets an extra $$$ in bonus or contract money". Something corny like that.

As for losing DA, I find it hard to compare him and Walters. Walters is much more explosive and has/had much higher upside potential. I can see some comparions of DA to Wes Welker or Brandon Stokley, but I don't think DA will ever reach their productivity. Sorry, I just don't see it happening. If Andre D can stay healthy, I think he's much more dangerous in the slot than DA was. I'd take Angry Dre, Davis and Walters over Dre, DA and Walters.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like him to be here. It's just that I don't see it as that big of a deal if he goes. Even if he does well, I don't think I'd ever think back and say "damn we should have kept him".

superbowlbound · #5 02-27-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by popanot

Can these RFA offers contain poison pills? I wonder if there's something hidden in the offer that would prevent us from matching? Honestly though, I'm not as worried as some about losing DA. I really don't think he brought anything to the table that AD/JJ/OD/Dressen or a decent FA/draft pick couldn't take up the slack on. DA was good at finding an open slot in the 5~10yd. range, but he was never a deep threat or a threat to break a big play.

Um, If we don't match, we lose the string dance forever, and that would be damn shame. Sure didn't take long for someone to pounce on him, did it? Looks like we got vonta leach'd again.

HPF Bob · #6 02-27-2009, 10:51 PM

Anderson played at Colorado St. so he may just want to go home.

I read where the Broncos were also pursuing Jabar Gaffney. The New England OC they hired for head coach apparently loves Welkeresque receivers.

kravix · #7 02-27-2009, 10:53 PM

I hope we match. I think that Kubes likes DA. I am also hoping that the low tender was a wish in the well that no other teams were catching on to what we have potentialy in our #3-4 reciever.

I have this odd feeling that DA is one of the "guys" in the locker room that gives this team a odd ball feeling to it, personality wise. It has also been reported that his work ethic and dedication is huge. Losing a guy that is as versital as he is with the ability to produce with the chances he has been given could be a bad thing.

painekiller · #8 02-27-2009, 11:02 PM

Not so sure I would match the offer. Like Bob said the kid may just be trying to go home. And because I have my eye on this kid, Johnny Knox

Keith · #9 02-27-2009, 11:38 PM

http://www.inthebullseye.com/archive/2009/20090227.html

I'd prefer to keep Anderson, eschew the 7th rounder, and use my other picks to continue to address the needs on defense and running back.

Arky · #10 02-28-2009, 01:06 AM

I'm with popanot on this one. If the Texans match, fine. If they don't, not a big deal. Maybe use that 7th rounder on a future punter..... Turk ain't gonna last forever...I'd rather see AD or JJ get more reps, anyway. Although DA did an admirable job while he was on the field, he's just not going to run away from anybody....

popanot · #11 02-27-2009, 11:01 PM

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Sure didn't take long for someone to pounce on him, did it? Looks like we got vonta leach'd again.

So just because someone quickly signed him to an offer sheet means he's destined to be a star?

superbowlbound · #12 02-28-2009, 06:18 PM

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So just because someone quickly signed him to an offer sheet means he's destined to be a star?

That's not what I'm saying at all. Just that we tried to slip a guy by with a low tender, and then he went and signed an offer sheet with another team. That's all, even though it's not quite the same, because we ended up having to give vonta a significant raise, whereas matching the broncos offer will put his 09 cap figure at just about what it would be if we'd given him the second round tender. I do think DA's gonna have himself a nice little career, though. Not great by any means, but he's an NFL caliber receiver, for sure. That and i'm sure gonna miss the string dance.

papabear · #13 03-02-2009, 08:39 AM

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well, Denver has been pretty active today, but not really impressive gets it seems. I guess I'd match this 4.5 offer, but its close. Good for David though.

I would match it without a second thought. I was with Keith in not understanding why they didn't place a second round tender on him for 500k more. I think you guys are underestimating what DA does for this team. It's not catastrophic if he leaves, but most teams in this league have trouble finding two solid WR's they are happy with. We've got three and I see no reason to lose that for basically peanuts.

dalemurphy · #14 03-02-2009, 10:55 AM

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I would match it without a second thought. I was with Keith in not understanding why they didn't place a second round tender on him for 500k more. I think you guys are underestimating what DA does for this team. It's not catastrophic if he leaves, but most teams in this league have trouble finding two solid WR's they are happy with. We've got three and I see no reason to lose that for basically peanuts.

17 catches and very little help on special teams doesn't seem difficult to replace. He was a nice player but I'd rather have the extra 7th round pick at that price. LZ commented on his inability to separate from man coverage which is just indicative of his physical limitations. His possible departure reminds me of Billy Miller. Both guys made some plays and got the most out of their abilities and were also fan favorites. However, in both cases, their physical limitations were too great and the roster could be strengthened (potentially) by replacing them.

papabear · #15 03-02-2009, 11:36 AM

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17 catches and very little help on special teams doesn't seem difficult to replace. He was a nice player but I'd rather have the extra 7th round pick at that price. LZ commented on his inability to separate from man coverage which is just indicative of his physical limitations. His possible departure reminds me of Billy Miller. Both guys made some plays and got the most out of their abilities and were also fan favorites. However, in both cases, their physical limitations were too great and the roster could be strengthened (potentially) by replacing them.

I'm not saying they aren't plenty of guys who could upgrade David Anderson, but your comparing the small chance most seventh round picks have of making a team vs. a guy who you know can play the role you need of him, who is still young, and relatively cheap, with great hands.

I'm a guy who preaches about the value of draft picks...and advocates hoarding as many of them as you can, but in this case a 7th rounder is not enough, IMO, for a guy who has earned his way onto the team and shown he's capable of contributing (even if it's only a little). If it was a 5th I would probably offer to give him a ride to the airport though.

painekiller · #16 03-02-2009, 01:41 PM

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I'm not saying they aren't plenty of guys who could upgrade David Anderson, but your comparing the small chance most seventh round picks have of making a team vs. a guy who you know can play the role you need of him, who is still young, and relatively cheap, with great hands.

I'm a guy who preaches about the value of draft picks...and advocates hoarding as many of them as you can, but in this case a 7th rounder is not enough, IMO, for a guy who has earned his way onto the team and shown he's capable of contributing (even if it's only a little). If it was a 5th I would probably offer to give him a ride to the airport though.

I don't call his new offer cheap? League minimum is cheap

Keith · #17 03-04-2009, 03:50 PM

Texans have matched.

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The Texans have matched the three-year $4.5 million offer sheet that wide receiver David Anderson signed with the Denver Broncos last week.
Anderson, who will receive a $1 million signing bonus, is the Texans fourth receiver behind Andre Johnson, Kevin Walter and Andre Davis. ...

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...t/6293740.html

Mike · #18 03-04-2009, 04:02 PM

I was wondering about this. Good for DA. Hard work and determination does pay off. He seems like a team guy and plays as hard as he can and I respect the hell out of that.

On a side note, he was one of the most fun players to talk to at last years season ticket holder event. He was with Dreesen and they were a riot to talk with.