"Hints Dropped" by Kubiak - Is there a MegaBUXXX Signing on the Way?

[papabear]

Originally Posted by coloradodude

Wow...I can't believe you two guys don't understand my point.

I know we're not in cap trouble but we HAVE BEEN. That means past tense. Here's my point on that subject, ready? What did we have to show for it talent wise will in cap prison? Not much in comparison to other teams with similar cap numbers.

I get your point, but I don't agree with it. The cap numbers for most teams aren't that far apart. There's a few with a bunch of room, and a few barely squeaking under. Everyone else generally falls in between. Plenty of them don't have anything to show for it either. It's not like we are that much worse than the majority of teams in the NFL.

If we are inevitably gonna be maxed out once again, and eventually we will, I want to have something to show for it. (We have had nothing to show for it since our inception as an organization.) Talent levels that match the payouts AND 11+ wins. Compare that to what we've endured in high salaries, non-pro bowl talent with non-winning records. Playoff wins come from talent of players, commitment to team, AND coaching. You have to pay for talent.

You do have to pay for talent, and we have. We just haven't been very good at judging talent. I get the feeling that you want the team to have sexier free agents signings. The kind of guys who are considered the best available at their position. Haynesworth, Clements, etc. The fact is that the teams who spend for the mega bucks free agents rarely show much improvement. Cowboys, Redskins, 49er's, and Jets are all teams who have spent heavily for the big guns but didn't get that much better on the field. The cap is set up so that most teams do end up with cap decisions to make at some point. Spend 100 Mill on Haynesworth or sign 4 or 5 guys for about the same amount of money who still give you an upgrade at several positions and/or great depth at others. Then draft well. I prefer the second option, but it comes down to how well you judge talent. We haven't always done a great job at that with FA. Hopefully Smith changes that. If you dump most of your free resources at a big name free agent and he fails you are screwed.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by papabear

I get your point, but I don't agree with it. The cap numbers for most teams aren't that far apart. There's a few with a bunch of room, and a few barely squeaking under. Everyone else generally falls in between. Plenty of them don't have anything to show for it either. It's not like we are that much worse than the majority of teams in the NFL.




You do have to pay for talent, and we have. We just haven't been very good at judging talent. I get the feeling that you want the team to have sexier free agents signings. The kind of guys who are considered the best available at their position. Haynesworth, Clements, etc. The fact is that the teams who spend for the mega bucks free agents rarely show much improvement. Cowboys, Redskins, 49er's, and Jets are all teams who have spent heavily for the big guns but didn't get that much better on the field. The cap is set up so that most teams do end up with cap decisions to make at some point. Spend 100 Mill on Haynesworth or sign 4 or 5 guys for about the same amount of money who still give you an upgrade at several positions and/or great depth at others. Then draft well. I prefer the second option, but it comes down to how well you judge talent. We haven't always done a great job at that with FA. Hopefully Smith changes that. If you dump most of your free resources at a big name free agent and he fails you are screwed.

You are right-on, Papabear. I would much rather hope we get lucky signing lower level guys than hope these megabuck superstars live up to their gigantic contracts. And I don't mean just for the first year or two. Signing guys to their last contract is a risky proposition.

[Roy P]

Gibril Wilson was signed by the Dolphins for 5 years, $27.5 Million, $8 Million guaranteed. $16.5M is in the first 3 years. If we could sign Sean Jones for that kind of money, I'd be very pleased.

[HPF Bob]

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense. Is forking over a ton of draft choices and cap space on one player a smart idea? I don't think so, especially when we've spent more than the GDP of some continents to be able to sack Peyton Manning and still have almost nothing to show for it.

[gunslinger57]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense.

So, you'd rather spend less money than more and get the same production? That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet?

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

Can I just be the well paid guy who's job is to just hang out and watch practices, and be in the warroom on draft day. Maybe sit in the back for a couple film sessions. Kind of like Dan Reeves consultant gig...without the experience or the ability to offer any kind of usefull insight.

...hell I wouldn't even need to be well paid. A cot to sleep on at the stadium and the leftovers from the buffet would probably do it.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Roy P

If I were the GM, Bob would be the Assistant GM and I'd have Painekiller as my College Scout.

Head of Scouting thank you, but I thought I would get Bob's job by now

[papabear]

Originally Posted by gunslinger57

So, you'd rather spend less money than more and get the same production? That's some out of the box thinking, Bob. How are you not at least assistant GM yet?

I think the idea is to spend the same, but spread the "bust" risk out over several players. In general your are going to be better making smaller upgrades to several postions than one major upgrade.

[gunslinger57]

Originally Posted by papabear

I think the idea is to spend the same, but spread the "bust" risk out over several players. In general your are going to be better making smaller upgrades to several postions than one major upgrade.

I got it, I was just being sarcastic. I guess I don't do it well.

[coloradodude]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

I'd rather have little splashes that produce big instead of big splashes that produce big. With any team, it's all about maximizing output while minimizing expense. Is forking over a ton of draft choices and cap space on one player a smart idea? I don't think so, especially when we've spent more than the GDP of some continents to be able to sack Peyton Manning and still have almost nothing to show for it.

Excellent point Bob. And mussop was 100% correct as I hate Dallas and Snyder (but barrett has trouble understanding me).

Getting back to Bob's point, we have spent big dollars in an attempt to get to Peyton Manning. What did that really cost us? At best we have a mediocre secondary, at best. After six years in the league we have one, maybe two if we count DeMeco, PB players on defense and 8 wins?

Look, the chances of the Texans winning the SB are slim. It's difficult no matter what the team name is otherwise we would have repeat teams year after year. This makes the Patriots truly special imo. But this being the fact I will GLADLY take a team that wins 10 or 11 games and loses in the playoffs. And clearly this doesn't happen with a bunch of no namers unless you have a very special front office and coaching staff (see Dolphins).

Yes, give us some splashy named players but up to this point they can't. Know why? Because we have sucked. We have been the laughing stock of the NFL. Come on guys, the stinkin Raiders get more respect than we do and they truly suck.

Eh, I'm done. No matter how much is or is not spent, it did not cost me a penny. One way or the other we will be in cap Hades in due time with this regime but I think our wins will be in the range I'm looking for.

Thanks for your patience.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Gibril Wilson was signed by the Dolphins for 5 years, $27.5 Million, $8 Million guaranteed. $16.5M is in the first 3 years. If we could sign Sean Jones for that kind of money, I'd be very pleased.

Gibril has made out like a Bandit the last two years. Win the superbowl, take old man Al's nice signing bonus, get cut and then get Tuna dollars.