THR Computer Mock

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by edo783

I want the DE with the quickest first step and the speed to get into the backfield we can get. Bonus time would be if he can stuff the run, but as long as he isn't a total liability with the run, I can live with him as long as he can get to the QB quickly.

The quickest "we can get" is where the rub is. Ideally, Everette Brown is on the board, if not, there is a bit of a step down. Also, "as long as he isn't a total liability with the run" is a pretty big phrase when discussing potential DEs.

There are some trade offs that are going to be considered. We aren't going to be able to have our cake and eat it too. If Brown is gone, as I suspect, I feel our next best combination of pass rush/run stuffing is Orakpo. He's not great at either, but sufficient at both. Maybin gives you a lot more pass rush, but you really pay for it against the run. Of course, he wouldn't be that big of a liability against the run as an OLB. However, as a DE, he would be. Lastly, Ayers may not be the pass rusher that Orakpo is, but he's better vs. the run.

[edo783]

Originally Posted by Roy P

The quickest "we can get" is where the rub is. Ideally, Everette Brown is on the board, if not, there is a bit of a step down. Also, "as long as he isn't a total liability with the run" is a pretty big phrase when discussing potential DEs.

There are some trade offs that are going to be considered. We aren't going to be able to have our cake and eat it too. If Brown is gone, as I suspect, I feel our next best combination of pass rush/run stuffing is Orakpo. He's not great at either, but sufficient at both. Maybin gives you a lot more pass rush, but you really pay for it against the run. Of course, he wouldn't be that big of a liability against the run as an OLB. However, as a DE, he would be. Lastly, Ayers may not be the pass rusher that Orakpo is, but he's better vs. the run.

All true Roy and that is why it lean towards Maybin as he is supposed to be the best PURE pass rusher. I could see him as an OLB on downs 1&2 and then a DE on 3. I don't think he has played OLB, so that may be a real barrier to that plan. If he is a total liability in run and isn't suitable as a OLB, then we can't draft him because then he would be just a 1 down specialist and you don't take that type at 15. Orakpo is fairly likely to be there at 15 and would probably be the safest pick for us and with the added benefit of perhaps stopping the horns fans from sniveling that we never pick their guys.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by edo783

All true Roy and that is why it lean towards Maybin as he is supposed to be the best PURE pass rusher. I could see him as an OLB on downs 1&2 and then a DE on 3. I don't think he has played OLB, so that may be a real barrier to that plan. If he is a total liability in run and isn't suitable as a OLB, then we can't draft him because then he would be just a 1 down specialist and you don't take that type at 15. Orakpo is fairly likely to be there at 15 and would probably be the safest pick for us and with the added benefit of perhaps stopping the horns fans from sniveling that we never pick their guys.

I think he killed that idea, at least for me., he ran 4.78 a little slow for a OLB in my book. OK for a DE.

I will admit, I have no clue what to do at 15 if they keep the pick.

[Bigtinylittle]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I think he killed that idea, at least for me., he ran 4.78 a little slow for a OLB in my book. OK for a DE.

I will admit, I have no clue what to do at 15 if they keep the pick.

I have no clue either. That's why I'm starting to hope we don't try to solve our DE problem in the first round. There doesn't seem to be a good fit for us who is worth the fifteenth pick and will still be available. If there is, then great. But if not, we should go BPA. I am starting to want us to try to get a solid pass rusher in a later round or in free agency.

[jppaul]

Pick Cushing

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Pick Cushing

His teammate Mattews may be a better NFL prospect ?

[jppaul]

I have Cushing rated a little higher, but I would be happy with Matthews.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by painekiller

I think he killed that idea, at least for me., he ran 4.78 a little slow for a OLB in my book. OK for a DE.

I will admit, I have no clue what to do at 15 if they keep the pick.

Maybin isn't too slow for a 3-4. TSuggs ran the same time and he's been successful in a 3-4. And, no way Suggs could still run that same time.

If somehow Orakpo slipped to 15, I'd take him in a heartbeat! I think he looks great. I also like Maybin there. But, I'm almost always predisposed to trade down.