Aaron Maybin Quick Vid.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Roy P

How many people remember that Lawson ran a 4.43?

Yeah, 40 times are amazingly overrated. I'm not even going to look at them this year unless a CB or WR runs over 4.87 and not at all for any other position. There is so little in the game where players are asked to run full speed for 40 yards.

I think Terrell Suggs ran really slooooowwww, too... in spite of video evidence showing he had a lethal first step. Hopefully one of these guys shows poorly at the combine and drops out of the top 10.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Keith

Yeah, 40 times are amazingly overrated. I'm not even going to look at them this year unless a CB or WR runs over 4.87 and not at all for any other position. There is so little in the game where players are asked to run full speed for 40 yards.

I think Terrell Suggs ran really slooooowwww, too... in spite of video evidence showing he had a lethal first step. Hopefully one of these guys shows poorly at the combine and drops out of the top 10.

I think a 10 yard time, in pads, from a traditional stance for your position would have a lot more relevance. It's too easy to go to a track coach and work on your start and technique and shave off precious hundredths of a second that have no correlation to the football field. 3 cone and shuttle are more important than 40 IMO, but I don't have as good a grasp of what a good time for a position is in those drills...which is probably why the NFL will never get rid of it.

[jppaul]

The 40 time is the money shot of the combine, tenths of a seconds can make you millions or lose you the same, and it is the easiest for the fan to equate to an attribute. 4.3 equals speed, 5.00 equals slow.

[nunusguy]

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

The question drafting him would be whether you take a guy that may not play every down. Clealy early in his career, at least, he's a guy that comes out on running downs. That being said, if he has elite pass rush skills, I'd still consider him at 15. I don't have a problem with Weaver or Cochran playind DE on 3rd and 1. The real question for me would be if he can hold his ground well enough on 1st and 10 that he's not a huge liability that the opposition will exploit anytime they see him in the game.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

Maybe he means that he was cut?

[edo783]

Originally Posted by nunusguy

Rob Rang (NL Draft Scout) said Maybin is "tight-skinned", which apparently indicates he would have more trouble gaining weight than others ? Huh ?

Yup, and he said I was excessively loose skinned.

[painekiller]

Roy, do you think Maybin can be the 1st and 2nd down SAM who puts his hand down on 3rd down? He shows the quickest first step in the draft, but he is not a 3 down DE IMO. So can he be a SAM or even a WILL?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Roy, do you think Maybin can be the 1st and 2nd down SAM who puts his hand down on 3rd down? He shows the quickest first step in the draft, but he is not a 3 down DE IMO. So can he be a SAM or even a WILL?

That is exactly what I would do with Maybin if I were to draft him for the Texans. I'd also be blitzing my SAM about 50% of the time and expecting my S to cover the TE. While I may be in the minority on this, but I think Maybin has the agility and intelligence to learn the OLB position. Off the field, it's a freakin' miracle that this kid is so clean when he was surrounded by 'punks' like Maurice Evans at Penn St. He will be a better player than Cushing in my estimation because he can apply pressure in the backfield and he's more athletic than Mathews.

I guess the question I'd have to ask is, would we be willing to have Kamerion Wimbley play SAM for a 1st round pick?

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by papabear

3 cone and shuttle are more important than 40 IMO, but I don't have as good a grasp of what a good time for a position is in those drills....

This is my own little measuring stick...

LDE: 4.32 - Shuttle & 7.40 - Cone
NT : 4.74 - Shuttle & 7.85 - Cone
3T : 4.50 - Shuttle & 7.55 - Cone
RDE: 4.25 - Shuttle & 7.27 - Cone
SLB: 4.23 - Shuttle & 7.15 - Cone
MLB: 4.20 - Shuttle & 7.10 - Cone
WLB: 4.14 - Shuttle & 7.09 - Cone
SS: 4.13 - Shuttle & 7.05 - Cone
FS: 4.11 - Shuttle & 6.98 - Cone
CB: 4.10 - Shuttle & 6.75 - Cone

Gil Brandt has his own target numbers here along with the Offensive players.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=...s&confirm=true

[papabear]

Originally Posted by Roy P

This is my own little measuring stick...

LDE: 4.32 - Shuttle & 7.40 - Cone
NT : 4.74 - Shuttle & 7.85 - Cone
3T : 4.50 - Shuttle & 7.55 - Cone
RDE: 4.25 - Shuttle & 7.27 - Cone
SLB: 4.23 - Shuttle & 7.15 - Cone
MLB: 4.20 - Shuttle & 7.10 - Cone
WLB: 4.14 - Shuttle & 7.09 - Cone
SS: 4.13 - Shuttle & 7.05 - Cone
FS: 4.11 - Shuttle & 6.98 - Cone
CB: 4.10 - Shuttle & 6.75 - Cone

Gil Brandt has his own target numbers here along with the Offensive players.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story?id=...s&confirm=true

Thanks. I was going to ask you to post yours , or anyone else who has them, but I was also trying to make the point that the NFL uses the combine/draft for marketing and that the 40 has become the marquee event. My mom will tell you she knows nothing about football, but she can probably tell you if a guy's 40 time was slow. Even though I'm sure most recognize the limitations of the 40, they will never stop running it.