Official Senior Bowl Thread

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by barrett

You're fooling yourself if you think any of the SLB prospects can cover Gates. I'd be suprised if any of the safety prospects can cover the top TEs in the NFL.

As for the SLB position and it's relevance in the NFL, I give you 3 names...Chris Gocong, Marcus Washington, and Danny Clark. Do you know who they are? Don't feel bad if you don't. Nobody does. But they are the starting SLBs on the best 4-3 defenses in the NFL.

Lets try a name: D.J. Williams? You probably should feel bad if you don't recognize that one?

Granted, there is not alot of name recognition with SLB but they certainly serve an important role. That being noted I am alright with Drafting Cushing and putting him on the WLB. Adibi is a good prospect but I have questions about his ability to stay healthy.

I would take him in the first, Michael Johnson or Paul Kruger in the second, Rashad Johnson or Patrick Chung in the third, Myron Pryor or Jarron Gilbert in the fourth, Pat White or Rhett Bhomar in the fifth, Graham Cano in the 6th, Deandre Wright in the 7th.

Then the LB core would look like:

[barrett]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Lets try a name: D.J. Williams? You probably should feel bad if you don't recognize that one?

Granted, there is not alot of name recognition with SLB but they certainly serve an important role. That being noted I am alright with Drafting Cushing and putting him on the WLB. Adibi is a good prospect but I have questions about his ability to stay healthy.

I would take him in the first, Michael Johnson or Paul Kruger in the second, Rashad Johnson or Patrick Chung in the third, Myron Pryor or Jarron Gilbert in the fourth, Pat White or Rhett Bhomar in the fifth, Graham Cano in the 6th, Deandre Wright in the 7th.

Then the LB core would look like:

And do you know what the Broncos got for the 1st round pick they invested in Williams? All of 6.5 sacks and 2 INTs in 5 years. Now he plays solid, but that is just my point. SLB is a place to put a solid guy. If you put an athlete there, you are wasting them. They simply don't get a chance to make plays.

Now if you want Cushing in particular and think he can play the WLB, then I won't argue with you. I don't know enough about him to say, but if he can, then I could see picking him in the right circumstance. The WLB is still not a huge impact position in the 4-3, but they are 3 down players who have chances to make plays, so if a guy is a great enough WLB, they could have a 1st round impact. I would still go another direction unless BPA clearly indicated he was head and shoulders above the available DL and FS prospects, but a great WLB could be a big plus for us.

But a "great" SLB is just not worth a 1st round pick if you plan to play him at SLB.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by barrett

And do you know what the Broncos got for the 1st round pick they invested in Williams? All of 6.5 sacks and 2 INTs in 5 years. Now he plays solid, but that is just my point. SLB is a place to put a solid guy. If you put an athlete there, you are wasting them. They simply don't get a chance to make plays.

Now if you want Cushing in particular and think he can play the WLB, then I won't argue with you. I don't know enough about him to say, but if he can, then I could see picking him in the right circumstance. The WLB is still not a huge impact position in the 4-3, but they are 3 down players who have chances to make plays, so if a guy is a great enough WLB, they could have a 1st round impact. I would still go another direction unless BPA clearly indicated he was head and shoulders above the available DL and FS prospects, but a great WLB could be a big plus for us.

But a "great" SLB is just not worth a 1st round pick if you plan to play him at SLB.

Again we will disagree, and I will agree to disagree in order to stop wasting other readers time, with our disagreement.

On another note, some of the WLB's who do make an impact inlcude: Derrick Brooks, Lance Briggs, A.J. Hawk, Keith Bulluck, etc.

None of the FS prospects seem to be worth the #15 pick, and although several of the D-line prospects are worth that pick, I would go a different direction.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by jppaul

Again we will disagree, and I will agree to disagree in order to stop wasting other readers time, with our disagreement.

On another note, some of the WLB's who do make an impact inlcude: Derrick Brooks, Lance Briggs, A.J. Hawk, Keith Bulluck, etc.

None of the FS prospects seem to be worth the #15 pick, and although several of the D-line prospects are worth that pick, I would go a different direction.

I agree with all of that and hope we can trade down.

As for WLBs I agreed with you. I said that although it is not a big impact position, the guys who play it great are impact players.

As for wasting other reader's time, its the offseason and I think we may just be talking to each other.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by barrett

As for wasting other reader's time, its the offseason and I think we may just be talking to each other.

Nah, it's kind of like watching tennis.

As for trading down, I am still hopeful for big time player to come to us. Last year it was Branden Albert who was not suppose to last. In 2005 it was Derrick Johnson. In 04 there was D.J. Williams and Will Smith. Perhaps this year Raji will still be on the board or maybe Everette Brown. It always seems as if getting a 1st round RB is a pretty decent choice in this area, maybe LeSean McCoy, Knowshon Moreno, or Donald Brown. My personal favorite is Aaron Curry, but that's just me. For the record, I'd play him at the WILL.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

Nah, it's kind of like watching tennis.

As for trading down, I am still hopeful for big time player to come to us. Last year it was Branden Albert who was not suppose to last. In 2005 it was Derrick Johnson. In 04 there was D.J. Williams and Will Smith. Perhaps this year Raji will still be on the board or maybe Everette Brown. It always seems as if getting a 1st round RB is a pretty decent choice in this area, maybe LeSean McCoy, Knowshon Moreno, or Donald Brown. My personal favorite is Aaron Curry, but that's just me. For the record, I'd play him at the WILL.

Man every mock I have seen and every draft ranking board has him somewhere around the top 5. I would be happy to play him at will.

What about drafting Malualaga and moving DRyan over to Will, where he can make more impact plays and could possibly stay healthy for an entire season.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

What about drafting Malualaga and moving DRyan over to Will, where he can make more impact plays and could possibly stay healthy for an entire season.

Talk about kicking a dead horse, there has been much discussion on moving Ryans to the WILL after drafting (insert favorite MLB here) to take on larger OL and attacking the RB.

I will say once again that my perspective is that DeMeco is most productive at the MLB position and does not have the athleticism to chase plays from the WLB. The best way to keep our MIKE healthy would be to improve the DL in front of him. Maybe Jeff Zgonina will retire and just start coaching. Maybe Frank Okam will get a fire lit under his ass by Coach Kollar or simply go to Law School. I wonder if we could trade Travis Johnson or at least get him to play better than DelJuan Robinson. Okoye had a whopping 24 tackles.

Just as a painful reminder, does anybody remember when the Texans traded for WR Eric Moulds? I was upset that we gave away a 4th round pick, that same pick was utilized on a guy that I liked from LSU DT Kyle Williams. Well coach Kollar took a 4th round effort guy and had him post 53, 41, and 55 tackles the last 3 seasons. I'm hopeful we'll get something like that from our DTs. The guy next to him, Marcus Stroud, had 45 tackles.

If I compare them to the Eagles, Brodrick Bunkley had 47 tackles and Mike Patterson slipped down to 42 tackles after posting 67 the year before.

Anyway, we can talk about how much money we've already spent on the DL and if it is a good idea to draft a player like Jeria Perry, BJ Raji, Sen'Derrick Marks, etc. However, until the DL starts performing, it won't matter who we have in the LB corps or the Secondary.

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by barrett

I agree with all of that and hope we can trade down.

As for WLBs I agreed with you. I said that although it is not a big impact position, the guys who play it great are impact players.

As for wasting other reader's time, its the offseason and I think we may just be talking to each other.

Yeah but is there anything more annoying than two people standing around beating a dead horse for weeks?