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Roy: Did you leave off Big Herman Johnson from LSU on purpose ?
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Yes. I can't fathom a guy that size as a ZBS OL for Gibbs.
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That size, and the fact that he moves like he has giant bricks on his feet.
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Another Mock using my list to fit needs....
1. DT BJ Raji 2. DE Paul Kruger 3. RB Rashad Jennings 4. SLB Cody Brown 5. C/G Eric Wood 6. FS CJ Spillman 7. WLB Lee Robinson |
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I am wondering whether the ZBS is as effective at sea level in the 4th qtr as it is in Denver. It appeared that we had an enormous problem pushing the ball in from 3-4 yds out. I watched HJ in the one-on-one drills during Senior Bowl week and he had trouble with speed rushers running around him, but nobody ran through him. The right side of the South line where he started as RT I believe. fairly shut down the vaunted B J Raji. That was how I saw it in the first half and maybe the second half judging by the score, I missed that.
He and Eric Winston would be a formidable right side with maybe Alex Mack, Max Unger, Eric Wood or Antoine Caldwell thrown in at center. |
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It's not the size, but the athleticism that keeps him from being a ZBS guy. If you could find a guy that big and strong who moved well enough to fit Gibbs scehme....I think Gibbs would need to change his underwear.
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I was indirectly saying that his size prevents the athleticism needed.
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Feb 3, 2009
I have to date these boards so that I don't come in and update 3 times on the same day. I'll try to refrain for the next few days. With all of the hubbub about who we should pick at #15, I mentioned that Jeremy Maclin would not be a bad option. As a matter of fact, in a given scenario I mentioned he was the BPA and that sparked off a long conversation. Just to show that I don't think JMac is the very best player in the draft, I thought I'd revisit My Guys. I have also shown my disrespect for Malcolm Jenkins in a Mock draft, so this also reflects where I put him. Lastly, this shows where I have Laurainitis, Cushing, and all the other favorites that I would be more than happy drafting (in the 2nd round). 1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54 2 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65 3 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246 4.62 4 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38 5 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325 5.15 6 OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22 7 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73 8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98 9 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45 10 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.42 11 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49 12 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49 13 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45 14 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208 4.48 15 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248 4.67 16 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200 4.45 17 OT Eugene Monroe Virginia 6' 5" 315 5.23 18 LB James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6' 2" 240 4.59 19 LB Brian Cushing USC 6' 4" 255 4.75 20 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235 4.58 21 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.36 22 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.76 23 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265 4.68 24 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.57 25 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54 26 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82 27 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258 4.67 28 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49 29 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20 30 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10 31 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234 4.50 32 OG Phil Loadholt Oklahoma 6' 8" 338 5.30 33 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93 34 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.99 35 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64 36 LB Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 254 4.70 37 QB Josh Freeman Kansas State 6' 6" 245 4.86 38 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68 39 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196 4.40 40 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16 41 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49 42 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74 43 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233 4.59 44 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio St. 6' 1" 236 4.58 45 LB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231 4.68 46 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 3" 295 4.94 47 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12 48 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.60 49 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48 50 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.65 51 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86 52 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.48 53 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14 54 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260 4.74 55 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82 56 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 210 4.55 57 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.54 58 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 5.06 59 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68 60 LB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59 61 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.18 62 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49 63 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52 64 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.64 65 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79 66 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99 67 LB Joseph Frantz Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235 4.73 68 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19 69 RB Arian Foster Tennessee 6' 1" 232 4.56 70 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.79 71 OG Alex Boone Ohio St. 6' 8" 330 5.27 72 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.76 73 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 5.09 74 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50 75 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322 5.19 76 RB Gartrell Johnson Colorado St. 5' 11" 222 4.67 77 FB Quinn Johnson LSU 6' 1" 251 4.67 78 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10 79 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 4.59 80 LB Kaluka Maiava USC 6' 0" 232 4.69 81 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219 4.58 82 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240 4.69 83 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203 4.54 84 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310 5.08 |
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Mine would look lsomething like this
1st without trade down These are players that might fall but doubtfull. B.J. Raji, Boston College Height: 6-1. Weight: 334. Projected 40 Time: 5.12. Projected Round (2009): Top 15 Pick. OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38 1st with trade down Max Unger, Oregon Height: 6-4. Weight: 299. Projected 40 Time: 5.20. Projected Round (2009): 1-2. Alex Mack, California Height: 6-4. Weight: 312. Projected 40 Time: 5.13. Projected Round (2009): 1. LeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh Height: 5-11. Weight: 207. Projected 40 Time: 4.44. Projected Round (2009): 1. Peria Jerry, Ole Miss Height: 6-1. Weight: 290. Projected 40 Time: 4.94. Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick. Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State Height: 6-5. Weight: 257. Projected 40 Time: 4.75. Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick. Clint Sintim, Virginia Height: 6-3. Weight: 254. Projected Projected 40 Time: 4.66. Projected Round (2009): 1-2. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech Height: 6-7. Weight: 257. Projected 40 Time: 4.63. Projected Round (2009): Top 25 Pick. 2nd Donald Brown, Connecticut Height: 5-10. Weight: 210. Projected 40 Time: 4.44. Projected Round (2009): 2. Victor Harris, Virginia Tech Height: 5-10. Weight: 186. Projected 40 Time: 4.52. Projected Round (2009): 2. Darius Butler, Connecticut Height: 5-10. Weight: 178. Projected 40 Time: 4.36. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest Height: 5-8. Weight: 193. Projected 40 Time: 4.41. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Shonn Greene, Iowa Height: 5-11. Weight: 235. Projected 40 Time: 4.54. Projected Round (2009): 2. Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan Height: 5-11. Weight: 197. Projected 40 Time: 4.47. Projected Round (2009): 1-2 Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma Height: 6-0. Weight: 204. Projected 40 Time: 4.45. Projected Round (2009): 2. Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon Height: 5-11. Weight: 207. Projected 40 Time: 4.49. Projected Round (2009): 2. Rashad Johnson, FS, Alabama Height: 5-11. Weight: 195. Projected 40 Time: 4.44. Projected Round (2009): 2. Chase Coffman, Missouri Height: 6-6. Weight: 249. Projected 40 Time: 4.78. Projected Round (2009): 2 3rd Clay Matthews, USC Height: 6-3. Weight: 246. Projected 40 Time: 4.72. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Tyrone McKenzie, South Florida Height: 6-1. Weight: 244. Projected 40 Time: 4.59. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Emanuel Cook, SS/FS, South Carolina Height: 5-10. Weight: 203. Projected 40 Time: 4.49. Projected Round (2009): 3. Michael Hamlin, SS, Clemson Height: 6-2. Weight: 207. Projected 40 Time: 4.51. Projected Round (2009): 3. Evander Hood, Missouri Height: 6-3. Weight: 298. Projected 40 Time: 4.94. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Fili Moala, USC Height: 6-4. Weight: 303. Projected 40 Time: 5.05. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Robert Ayers, Tennessee Height: 6-3. Weight: 273. Projected 40 Time: 4.73. Projected Round (2009): 3. Jamon Meredith, South Carolina Height: 6-5. Weight: 302. Projected 40 Time: 5.04. Projected Round (2009): 3. Andy Levitre, Oregon State Height: 6-2. Weight: 306. Projected 40 Time: 5.22. Projected Round (2009): 3. Trevor Canfield, Cincinnati Height: 6-4. Weight: 311. Projected 40 Time: 5.10. Projected Round (2009): 3-4. Jared Cook, South Carolina Height: 6-5. Weight: 242. Projected 40 Time: 4.61. Projected Round (2009): 2-3. Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin Height: 6-6. Weight: 251. Projected 40 Time: 4.66. Projected Round (2009): 3. 4th Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State Height: 6-5. Weight: 280. Projected 40 Time: 5.15. Projected Round (2009): 3-4. Pat White, West Virginia Height: 6-0. Weight: 190. Projected 40 Time: 4.43. Projected Round (2009): 3. Travis Beckum, Wisconsin Height: 6-4. Weight: 236. Projected 40 Time: 4.59. Projected Round (2009): 4. Andre Brown, N.C. State Height: 6-0. Weight: 224. Projected 40 Time: 4.56. Projected Round (2009): 4-5. Xavier Fulton, Illinois Height: 6-4. Weight: 301. Projected 40 Time: 4.95. Projected Round (2009): 4. Vance Walker, Georgia Tech Height: 6-2. Weight: 295. Projected 40 Time: 4.99. Projected Round (2009): 4. Jason Phillips, TCU Height: 6-1. Weight: 234. Projected 40 Time: 4.55. Projected Round (2009): 4. A.Q. Shipley, Penn State Height: 6-1. Weight: 298. Projected 40 Time: 5.09. Projected Round (2009): 4. 5th Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman Height: 6-4. Weight: 330. Projected 40 Time: 5.23. Projected Round (2009): 4-5. Gartrell Johnson, Colorado State Height: 5-11. Weight: 222. Projected 40 Time: 4.62. Projected Round (2009): 5-6. Jarett Dillard, Rice Height: 5-11. Weight: 182. Projected 40 Time: 4.51. Projected Round (2009): 4-5. Bear Pascoe, Fresno State Height: 6-5. Weight: 260. Projected 40 Time: 4.83. Projected Round (2009): 5. Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh Height: 6-1. Weight: 243. Projected 40 Time: 4.69. Projected Round (2009): 4-5. George Hypolite, Colorado Height: 6-1. Weight: 287. Projected 40 Time: 4.93. Projected Round (2009): 4-5. 6th Selvish Capers, West Virginia Height: 6-6. Weight: 291. Projected 40 Time: 4.92. Projected Round (2009): 5-6. Ryan Stanchek, West Virginia Height: 6-4. Weight: 301. Projected 40 Time: 5.22. Projected Round (2009): 6. Andrew Hartline, Central Michigan Height: 6-5. Weight: 294. Projected 40 Time: 5.08. Projected Round (2009): 6. Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina Height: 6-2. Weight: 267. Projected 40 Time: 4.70. Projected Round (2009): 5-6. 7th Josh Mauga, Nevada Height: 6-2. Weight: 246. Projected 40 Time: 4.61. Projected Round (2009): 6-7. Greg Isdaner, West Virginia Height: 6-4. Weight: 315. Projected 40 Time: 5.16. Projected Round (2009): 6-7 |
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Then why have Loadhalt on youre list?
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He's 50lbs lighter than HJ, so I hope he's a little more athletic. Also, I'm considering using him at RG instead of RT. It's probably a moot point anyway, because where I have him listed is most likely much lower than when he'll be off the board.
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From what I saw he had real problems out in space and with speed rushers. More of a lock on and maul type that the Ravens or the Steelers would use.
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I agree with jp seemed like a RT or even a guard to me, not a LT at all.
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I say we draft Herman (Monster) Johnson and put him at DT. Hey if anyone can tie up 2 blockers he could. 6'7" 386.
What center would want that big SOB ligned up across from him? Seriously I wonder if he could do it?
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Again, let me say that the only reason I'd want Loadholt is to play RG. In a ZBS I wouldn't be asking him to pull and lead the way on sweeps. He looked pretty good at getting to the second level and would help on short yardage and goal line situations when an OL needs to move the DL back off the line of scrimmage. Now, if somebody wants to draft him early on and put him at OT, then I'll simply move on to the next player on my draft list. |
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Feb 8, 2009
This thing has gotten larger as I've taken a look at more players. I am somewhat hopeful, that I'll be able to thin it back down after the Combine. After some insightful discussions players are moving up and down my draft board. So, here's the latest itteration. 1 WR Michael Crabtree Texas Tech 6'3" 214 4.54 2 DE Everette Brown Florida St. 6' 4" 254 4.65 3 LB Aaron Curry Wake Forest 6' 2" 246 4.62 4 DT B.J. Raji Boston College 6' 1" 325 5.15 5 WR Jeremy Maclin Missouri 6' 1" 200 4.38 6 OT Michael Oher Ole Miss 6' 5" 320 5.22 7 DE Brian Orakpo Texas 6' 4" 260 4.73 8 DT Peria Jerry Ole Miss 6' 3" 295 4.98 9 CB D. J. Moore Vanderbilt 5' 10" 184 4.45 10 RB LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh 5' 11" 210 4.49 11 RB Knowshon Moreno Georgia 5' 11" 208 4.48 12 CB Alphonso Smith Wake Forest 5' 9" 190 4.45 13 CB Vontae Davis Illinois 6' 0" 204 4.42 14 CB Malcom Jenkins Ohio St. 6' 0" 200 4.45 15 OT Eugene Monroe Virginia 6' 5" 315 5.23 16 LB James Laurinaitis Ohio St. 6' 2" 240 4.59 17 DE Aaron Maybin Penn St 6' 4" 248 4.67 18 LB Brian Cushing USC 6' 4" 255 4.75 19 RB Donald Brown Connecticut 5' 10" 210 4.49 20 WR Percy Harvin Florida 5' 11" 195 4.36 21 WR Hakeem Nicks North Carolina 6' 1" 210 4.57 22 TE Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma St. 6' 6" 260 4.82 23 RB Shonn Greene Iowa 5' 11" 235 4.58 24 DE Michael Johnson Ga Tech 6' 7" 258 4.67 25 DE Robert Ayers Tennessee 6' 3" 273 4.76 26 DE Paul Kruger Utah 6' 5" 265 4.68 27 S Patrick Chung Oregon 5' 11" 207 4.54 28 S William Moore Missouri 6' 1" 226 4.49 29 OC Max Unger Oregon 6' 5" 305 5.20 30 OC Alex Mack California 6' 4" 314 5.10 31 DT Ziggy Hood Missouri 6' 3" 298 4.99 32 RB Rashad Jennings Liberty 6' 1" 234 4.50 33 DT Sen'Derrick Marks Auburn 6' 1" 295 4.93 34 WR Derrick Williams Penn St 6' 0" 196 4.40 35 LB Clint Sintim Virginia 6' 3" 254 4.70 36 OG Phil Loadholt Oklahoma 6' 8" 338 5.30 37 QB Josh Freeman Kansas State 6' 6" 245 4.86 38 CB Coye Francies San Jose St. 6' 0" 179 4.47 39 LB Tyrone McKenzie South Florida 6' 2" 235 4.64 40 S Derek Peques Mississippi St. 5' 10" 193 4.49 41 TE Jared Cook S. Carolina 6' 5" 240 4.58 42 CB Domonique Johnson Jackson St. 6' 2" 192 4.38 43 LB Darry Beckwith LSU 6' 1" 233 4.59 44 OC Eric Wood Louisville 6' 4" 304 5.16 45 LB Cody Brown Connecticut 6' 2" 242 4.68 46 S Rashad Johnson Alabama 6' 0" 195 4.49 47 LB Marcus Freeman Ohio St. 6' 1" 236 4.58 48 DT Alex Magee Purdue 6' 3" 295 4.94 49 LB Scott McKillop Pittsburgh 6' 1" 243 4.74 50 LB Zach Follett California 6' 2" 231 4.68 51 OC Antoine Caldwell Alabama 6' 4" 307 5.12 52 LB Dannell Ellerbe Georgia 6' 1" 236 4.60 53 TE Shawn Nelson Southern Miss 6' 5" 238 4.65 54 RB James Davis Clemson 5' 11" 207 4.48 55 CB Keenan Lewis Oregon St 6' 1" 198 4.50 56 RB Andre Brown NC State 6' 0" 224 4.60 57 DE Matt Shaughnessy Wisconsin 6' 5" 260 4.74 58 TE Bear Pascoe Fresno St 6' 5" 257 4.86 59 DT Vance Walker Ga Tech 6' 2" 295 5.02 60 RB Arian Foster Tennessee 6' 1" 232 4.56 61 DT Corvey Irvin Georgia 6' 3" 296 5.06 62 WR Mike Thomas Arizona 5' 8" 187 4.48 63 OC A.Q. Shipley Penn St 6' 1" 297 5.14 64 S David Bruton Notre Dame 6' 2" 210 4.55 65 RB Cedric Peerman Virginia 5' 10" 210 4.54 66 QB John Parker Wilson Alabama 6' 2" 215 4.82 67 DT Terrence Taylor Michigan 6' 1" 314 5.18 68 LB Jason Williams W. Illinois 6' 1" 236 4.59 69 DT Dorell Scott Clemson 6' 4" 310 5.02 70 S C.J. Spillman Marshall 6' 0" 190 4.49 71 DE Lawrence Sidbury Richmond 6' 3" 267 4.76 72 LB Victor Butler Oregon St 6' 2" 241 4.64 73 LB Joseph Frantz Florida Atlantic 6' 2" 235 4.73 74 OG Andy Kemp Wisconsin 6' 5" 315 5.19 76 LB Lee Robinson Alcorn State 6' 2" 243 4.68 76 QB Stephen McGee Texas A&M 6' 3" 223 4.79 77 S Keith Fitzhugh Mississippi St. 5' 10" 210 4.52 78 DT Darryl Richard Ga Tech 6' 3" 306 4.99 79 DE Derek Walker Illinois 6' 3" 270 4.79 80 RB Gartrell Johnson Colorado St. 5' 11" 222 4.67 81 RB P.J. Hill Wisconsin 5' 11" 236 4.59 82 OG Greg Isdaner W. Virginia 6' 4" 322 5.19 83 S Darcell McBath Texas Tech 6' 1" 199 4.50 84 OG Alex Boone Ohio St. 6' 8" 330 5.27 85 WR Demetrius Byrd LSU 6' 1" 200 4.49 86 DT Ra'Shon Harris Oregon 6' 4" 300 5.09 87 OG Robert Brewster Ball State 6' 4" 312 5.10 88 DE Will Davis Illinois 6' 3" 262 4.76 89 RB Kory Sheets Purdue 5' 11" 203 4.54 90 DE Stryker Sulak Missouri 6' 5" 240 4.69 91 S Marcus McClinton Kentucky 6' 0" 208 4.50 92 RB Javarris Williams Tenn State 5' 10" 219 4.58 93 FB Quinn Johnson LSU 6' 1" 251 4.67 94 LB Kaluka Maiava USC 6' 0" 232 4.69 95 DT Myron Pryor Kentucky 6' 0" 310 5.08 96 CB Londen Fryar W. Michigan 5' 11" 187 4.53 97 DE Pierre Walters E. Illinois 6' 4" 269 4.78 98 RB Marlon Lucky Nebraska 5' 11" 212 4.57 99 RB Herb Donaldson W. Illinois 5' 10" 222 4.59 Last edited by Roy P; 02-08-2009 at 09:02 PM. |
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I read that Johnson is the biggest baby ever born in the state of Louisiana. 15 lbs 14 oz. Unbelievable.
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