Who will be available at 15?

Roy P · #1 01-18-2009, 10:37 PM

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

If things continue at the rate they are going, William Moore might be available in the 2nd round. Then, in the 3rd round grab DE/OLB Cody Brown. Followed by RB James Davis in the 4th.

5th TE Bear Pascoe
6th SS Keith Fitzhugh
7th DT Darryl Richard

That would shore up some needs.

Cody Brown is 6'2" 248lbs 4.68
Everette Brown is 6'4" 252lbs 4.65 and people are considering using our 1st round pick on him.

jppaul · #2 01-19-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

If things continue at the rate they are going, William Moore might be available in the 2nd round. Then, in the 3rd round grab DE/OLB Cody Brown. Followed by RB James Davis in the 4th.

5th TE Bear Pascoe
6th SS Keith Fitzhugh
7th DT Darryl Richard

That would shore up some needs.

Cody Brown is 6'2" 248lbs 4.68
Everette Brown is 6'4" 252lbs 4.65 and people are considering using our 1st round pick on him.

What do you think about drafting Malualaga and moving him to Sam, keeping Adibi at Will, Demeco as Mike, and Diles as the first backup to Sam and Mike?

If you can't tell btw, I am a huge fan of Malualaga's and believe he is the thumper that brings teh attitude we need to the D.

mussop · #3 01-19-2009, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

If things continue at the rate they are going, William Moore might be available in the 2nd round. Then, in the 3rd round grab DE/OLB Cody Brown. Followed by RB James Davis in the 4th.

5th TE Bear Pascoe
6th SS Keith Fitzhugh
7th DT Darryl Richard

That would shore up some needs.

Cody Brown is 6'2" 248lbs 4.68
Everette Brown is 6'4" 252lbs 4.65 and people are considering using our 1st round pick on him.

You cant judge a guy by measurables alone. You know that.

Bigtinylittle · #4 01-19-2009, 09:43 AM

In one of the games yesterday I watched a defensive player, I think he was a DE, come around the edge as fast as he could and as he was getting toward the QB his body was leaning so far over sideways he seemed like he was barely a foot off the ground. Moving sideways. At full speed. And he made the play. I could study measurables all day long and they would never tell me who could make that play and who would be falling on their face.

Obviously, it is great tho know the measurables, but how do you measure something like that?

jppaul · #5 01-19-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

In one of the games yesterday I watched a defensive player, I think he was a DE, come around the edge as fast as he could and as he was getting toward the QB his body was leaning so far over sideways he seemed like he was barely a foot off the ground. Moving sideways. At full speed. And he made the play. I could study measurables all day long and they would never tell me who could make that play and who would be falling on their face.

Obviously, it is great tho know the measurables, but how do you measure something like that?

They call that Body Lean and it was a reason that the Giants wouldn't trade Osi to the Chargers in the 04? draft.

Roy P · #6 01-19-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mussop

You cant judge a guy by measurables alone. You know that.

But it does help compare players who have gone against different competition. One guy who makes a great play against an inferior opponent, might not have been in the same position against better talent.

I like to watch the players to determine who I am interested in, but then use the measurable to check my enthusiasm.

Cody Brown gets results in pass rush, however he is probably too small at the next level to play DE all three downs. Everette Brown is only slightly larger, but probably falls into that same category. Unless of course you have better tacklers at LB and S to cover up his deficiency against the run. The other option is go to a 3-4 system to play OLB.

painekiller · #7 01-19-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I realize that there has been discussions on moving Ryans out to the WILL, but what about drafting Laurinitis to play the WILL and leaving Ryans at the MIKE?

Laurinitis is not the prototypical WILL IMO. I can see him as a MIKE or a SAM.

Rey Rey is looking like a 3-4 Middle guy. I like his attitude, but he is a little slow which would hurt in pass coverage.

Roy P · #8 01-19-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

Laurinitis is not the prototypical WILL IMO. I can see him as a MIKE or a SAM.

Did you think that of A.J. Hawk? I did, but he was pretty effective at the WILL for the Packers. Of course, now with Capers as the DC in GB, he may become the ILB.

painekiller · #9 01-19-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

Did you think that of A.J. Hawk? I did, but he was pretty effective at the WILL for the Packers. Of course, now with Capers as the DC in GB, he may become the ILB.

I thought Hawk was a 3 position guy, but the WILL was my least favorite place to play him. I would have put him in the middle had we drafted him.

Your point is a good one. I guess I am starting to favor the smaller quicker approach.

ramp1028 · #10 01-20-2009, 11:39 PM

In looking at a lot of Mock drafts two players stand out...

Vonte Davis at cb, and Will Moore at Safety...

Also alot of the mocks are mixed about how high some of the DE's are going...

one might have a guy going third, and then another might have the same guy being drafted by the Texans...

It seems like there will be value at 15..

nunusguy · #11 01-21-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by painekiller

Laurinitis is not the prototypical WILL IMO. I can see him as a MIKE or a SAM.

Rey Rey is looking like a 3-4 Middle guy. I like his attitude, but he is a little slow which would hurt in pass coverage.

Wonder why Laurinitis passed up the Senior Bowl ? He seems just like the kind of player who would be there no matter what to compete ? Unless he's injured ?
I think Rey-Rey is overrated and Cushing, who really reminds me of Laurinitis, will go off of the Board first among USC LBS.
Of Laurinitis, Cushing, & Rey-Rey, which would be the most valuable backer to the Texans ?

jppaul · #12 01-21-2009, 08:21 PM

I don't think Maluluaga is overrated but I think Cushing was a little bit underrated going into this process.

painekiller · #13 01-21-2009, 09:37 PM

Rey Rey had a better day today. That said, I had hoped Rey Rey could be our Sam, but this week showed me he is a Mike only. He needs to be going downhill.

So who can play Sam or Will for use? I like some latter round guy better. I am not willing to use the 1st round pick on these guys.

Keith · #14 01-21-2009, 09:49 PM

I suppose Aaron Curry won't last until 15.

There's usually some pretty talented LBs that slip into the 2nd and 3rd rounds though. I think we just take the BPA on defense at 15 or entertain trade down offers.

Roy P · #15 01-21-2009, 11:50 PM

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So who can play Sam or Will for use? I like some latter round guy better. I am not willing to use the 1st round pick on these guys.

I'm liking Cody Brown and Victor Butler.

Marcus Freeman could possibly be a decent Will for us. Heck, Nic Harris is playing WILL in Mobile this week.

painekiller · #16 01-22-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I'm liking Cody Brown and Victor Butler.

Marcus Freeman could possibly be a decent Will for us. Heck, Nic Harris is playing WILL in Mobile this week.

Kaluka Maiava my target, just not sure where he falls.

Dannell Ellerbe is someone I wonder if he can play the SAM.

A few others i like are Zack Follett, Larry English, Jonathon Casillas, Quentin Cotton to name a few seniors.

BTW I have been a Freeman fan all season.