Who will be available at 15?

[barrett]

Like I said, the labor issues will not be pushing any kids into coming out early.

[jppaul]

Nevertheless, the general rule I have repeatedly heard iterated by college and NFL coaches alike, is that if you are sure you are a first rounder you come out. That rule has been case by the road side in this case, and I think next year you think some of the prospects listed are going to regret this decision.

[nunusguy]

Penn State DE Aaron Maybin is going to be a very fast riser in the draft. Scouting services have him late in the first and some have him in the second but he'll be gone by the first half of the first round. While some project him as a 3-4 OLB, there are 4-3 teams who think he can pack on 20 pounds of muscle with ease on his frame and play DE in a 4-3. Houston Texans, this could be your guy.
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I haven't heard too much about this guy, but LZ obviously likes him ?

[Bigtinylittle]

I can't believe Kubiak is going to go for someone who needs time to add twenty pounds of muscle. Kubiak's time is NOW. The more I think about it the less it will surprise me if he go RB, because a RB tends to be near his peak in his rookie year. The knock on RBs is they have short careers. If Kubes doesn't win next year that won't matter.

Another position known for early results is LB. Since we are deficient at LB, it won't surprise me if we go that direction either. Though we really need help at DE in passing situations, we might be able to fill that nicely in a later round with a specialist. Remember, we are kind of stuck with Weaver so we might as well use him as a first and second down guy.

An interesting thing to me is that Brown, Okoye and Williams did not have a body of work to justify how high they were drafted. But they went early anyway because they all screamed future potential. Because this may be Kubiak's last year, I don't think we'll see that kind of pick this year. I'm thinking we probably go BPAN. (Best Player Available Now)

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Bigtinylittle

I can't believe Kubiak is going to go for someone who needs time to add twenty pounds of muscle. Kubiak's time is NOW. The more I think about it the less it will surprise me if he go RB, because a RB tends to be near his peak in his rookie year. The knock on RBs is they have short careers. If Kubes doesn't win next year that won't matter.

Another position known for early results is LB. Since we are deficient at LB, it won't surprise me if we go that direction either. Though we really need help at DE in passing situations, we might be able to fill that nicely in a later round with a specialist. Remember, we are kind of stuck with Weaver so we might as well use him as a first and second down guy.

An interesting thing to me is that Brown, Okoye and Williams did not have a body of work to justify how high they were drafted. But they went early anyway because they all screamed future potential. Because this may be Kubiak's last year, I don't think we'll see that kind of pick this year. I'm thinking we probably go BPAN. (Best Player Available Now)

My impact players that may be available at 15:

Aaron Maybin has the type of speed off the edge that can make a DE an instant impact player.
Ray Malulaga
James Lauranitis
Chris Wells
Brian Cushing
Malcolm Jenkins has alot of athletic ability and is one of teh more polished corners in this draft.

Personally, I would love for Malualaga to fall, but don't think it will happen.

[mussop]

Originally Posted by jppaul

My impact players that may be available at 15:

Aaron Maybin has the type of speed off the edge that can make a DE an instant impact player.
Ray Malulaga
James Lauranitis
Chris Wells
Brian Cushing
Malcolm Jenkins has alot of athletic ability and is one of teh more polished corners in this draft.

Personally, I would love for Malualaga to fall, but don't think it will happen.

I cant wait until the combine to see how Maybina and Brown look in some drills.


I think if you are on the right track with "impact players". Kubes has to make it happen this year. My list of impact players that could be available @15looks more like this.

Everette Bown
Clint Sintim OLB 6-2, 255 Virginia
Aaron Maybin DE 6-3, 235 Penn State
Chase Coffman TE 6-5, 245 Missouri
Percy Harvin WR 5-10, 180 Florida (X)
Darrius Heyward-Bey WR 6-1, 206 Maryland
Jeremy Maclin WR 6-0, 200 Missouri
Leshon McCoy RB 5-11, 215 Pittsburg
and maybe
Michael Johnson DE 6-6, 250 Georgia Tech

Any of these guys could make an impact on our team.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by jppaul

My impact players that may be available at 15:

Aaron Maybin has the type of speed off the edge that can make a DE an instant impact player.

While they haven't had a Pro Day or the Combine, I'm hesitant to say Maybin has the type of speed to be an instant impact. I've seen these projections:

Aaron Maybin 6'4" 248lbs and 4.67 - 40
Everette Brown 6'4" 252lbs and 4.65 - 40
Michael Johnson 6''7" 258lbs and 4.67 - 40
Paul Kruger 6'5" 265lbs and 4.68 - 40.

Gaines Adams ran a 4.64 at 6'5" 258lbs. I'm not sure he had an Instant Impact. Brian Robison ran a 4.67 at 6'3" 259lbs. One was the #4 pick and the other was a 4th round pick. Robison had 4.5 sacks his rookie year and started 5 games. Adams had 6 sacks his rookie year and started 8 games. I'm not quite sure we have a Jevon Kearse, Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice, or Leslie O'neal in this draft class, who makes a difference day one.

Players who should make an impact right away in my opinion are:
Crabtree, Curry, Oher, Stafford, Moreno, Maclin, McCoy, Harvin, Pettigrew, and William Moore. Other players may develop into great players with time, but I wouldn't bet my career on it.

This brings up an interesting philosophy question between a GM and a HC. When drafting players do you go for the BPA currently or the BPA eventually? That was the question with Mario vs. Bush. Bush started off his career faster, but it now appears the Mario was the better choice.

[Bigtinylittle]

It would be interesting to know what Mario and Reggie would be worth if they were to be offered in a trade for a pick in this draft. I'm pretty sure Mario would go at or close to a number one overall, but I'm having trouble deciding what someone would offer for Bush, considering the huge contract he would come with. Would he even go for a first round pick?

[jppaul]

Originally Posted by Roy P

While they haven't had a Pro Day or the Combine, I'm hesitant to say Maybin has the type of speed to be an instant impact. I've seen these projections:

Aaron Maybin 6'4" 248lbs and 4.67 - 40
Everette Brown 6'4" 252lbs and 4.65 - 40
Michael Johnson 6''7" 258lbs and 4.67 - 40
Paul Kruger 6'5" 265lbs and 4.68 - 40.

Gaines Adams ran a 4.64 at 6'5" 258lbs. I'm not sure he had an Instant Impact. Brian Robison ran a 4.67 at 6'3" 259lbs. One was the #4 pick and the other was a 4th round pick. Robison had 4.5 sacks his rookie year and started 5 games. Adams had 6 sacks his rookie year and started 8 games. I'm not quite sure we have a Jevon Kearse, Dwight Freeney, Simeon Rice, or Leslie O'neal in this draft class, who makes a difference day one.

Players who should make an impact right away in my opinion are:
Crabtree, Curry, Oher, Stafford, Moreno, Maclin, McCoy, Harvin, Pettigrew, and William Moore. Other players may develop into great players with time, but I wouldn't bet my career on it.

This brings up an interesting philosophy question between a GM and a HC. When drafting players do you go for the BPA currently or the BPA eventually? That was the question with Mario vs. Bush. Bush started off his career faster, but it now appears the Mario was the better choice.

I don't think a 40 time is the most important stat for a DE. I look, as I am sure you do Roy, at thier first step among other things, and I believe that Johnson and Maybin have the most dynamic first step off the line in this draft.

I am not sure about Everette Brown, he seems a bit like a mirage to me. He is good in college but I am not sure that he will succeed in the pros, he reminds me of Jamaal Anderson?, and for that reason I am skeptical.