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Old 01-13-2009, 07:35 PM
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Most of Brown's sacks allowed were in the first few games going against some of the top rushers in the league.

Having said all that, painkiller's line would be awesome.
I keep hearing this but havent seen any stats to back it up. Does anyone have the sacks allowed by game?

If we are going to use this draft to finish the line then I would go

Oher, Pitts, Mack, Winston, Brown
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Old 01-13-2009, 09:00 PM
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I keep hearing this but havent seen any stats to back it up. Does anyone have the sacks allowed by game?

If we are going to use this draft to finish the line then I would go

Oher, Pitts, Mack, Winston, Brown
Most list point to Mack being a late 1st to early 2nd round guy, so you want to trade up/back in to grab Mack?
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Old 01-13-2009, 10:13 PM
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Most list point to Mack being a late 1st to early 2nd round guy, so you want to trade up/back in to grab Mack?
No trade up but if he isnt there i'd gladly take Unger.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:12 AM
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I keep hearing this but havent seen any stats to back it up. Does anyone have the sacks allowed by game?

If we are going to use this draft to finish the line then I would go

Oher, Pitts, Mack, Winston, Brown

I can't find anywhere that breaks them down game by game. If you look at the schedule though we played Pitt, Tenn, and Indy in the first four weeks. Those are all teams that can get to the QB. I specifically remember Brown getting abused in the Pitt game. Harrison had three sacks in that game alone and I think there were like five total.

The next week Vanden Bosch and Kearse each had one.

Freeny had one in the first Indy game.

I don't know how many of these were credited to Brown, and that's the big problem with the sacks allowed stat. Only the team knows what the protection scheme was, so it might look like a T got beat badly, but the TE might have blow his assignement to help. That being said it's likely Brown could be credited with 5 sacks allowed in just these first three games.

I seem to remember him struggling the second time around against Freeney as well, but the eyeball test tells me that he improved in both pass protection and run blocking. One thing to remember is that Brown was a TE for his first couple years of college...and I think only had one year at LT before going to the NFL. It's hard to imagine him not getting better as he has more time at the position.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:30 AM
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In the 4th game against the Dolphins, Porter had a sack and quite a few hurries. You can go to the game books for each game at nfl.com to see who had the sacks, but it doesn't say who allowed. I do remember a couple of times in the last part of the season that McClain or LZ mentioned a large number of his sacks in the 1st several games. I wouldn't swear to it, but I think it was 5 1/2 sacks allowed in the 1st 4 games. That certainly seems reasonable.
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:43 PM
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This topic is a waste of time. Let's move on.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:01 PM
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Yes, let's quit wasting time and roll up our sleeves and really get something done in those other 3 active threads. We're burnin' daylight, boys.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:58 PM
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Not to speak for maninthebox, but if his feeling on this subject is anything like mine...

I was shocked, and then not so much, when this thread poped up. Hanging a rookie LT out to dry in his first season. We arent drafting from other NFL rosters, we are drafting from college rosters.

I think I saw it earlier and I will reiterate it. Brown was a TE, moved to RT, and played his last season in college as a LT. So he has a whoping 3 years playing as a tackle, and he played against some of the best pass rushers in the league this year very early. I would say he was average. With that resume and his upside that would make him awesome.

The odds of even drafting a tackle in this draft, with intent to start rather than put on the PS, are probably slimmer than drafting a QB.

Also like someone else said, given the rank of our pass offense, the kid cant be all that bad.

Sometimes I wonder at the people who think that all 52 players on the roster should be pro bowlers. I think I need their jobs so I can eat filet and lobster prepared by a master chef every night too. I bet Bob McNair wishes the same thing.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:54 PM
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Brown was a TE, moved to RT, and played his last season in college as a LT.

I would say he was average. With that resume and his upside that would make him awesome.


I think I need their jobs so I can eat filet and lobster prepared by a master chef every night too. I bet Bob McNair wishes the same thing.
Yup, he's the next Orlando Pace, we're set at LT.

Average = Awesome? That's realistic expectations. You are a glass half full kind of guy, right?

Bob McNair and I definitely need to switch places for a year.
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