MOCK Draft 1/8/09

barrett · #1 01-08-2009, 04:57 PM

what role do you think a OLB plays in a 4-3? If we take Laurinitis and move Demeco over we MIGHT get a tiny bit better at MLB, and then we will get a lot better at WLB. Considering in a 4-3 the WLB is about the 8th most important position on the field I don't understand this move. Even if Demeco is the best WLB in the league it means he impacts the game as much as Lance Briggs (not that much in other words). And not to mention we are not bad with Diles/Adibi/Bentley.

Especially when we could get better at positions that matter most like DE or DT, or a position where we are bad and actually need improvement (like FS).

For a 4-3 Defense DE, DT, MLB, CB, FS, OLB, SS.

If you take into account our needs DE, DT, FS, CB, SS, OLB, MLB.

Roy P · #2 01-08-2009, 05:39 PM

This mock is ridiculous. I mock it. Like most mocks, it tries to consider the needs of the clubs. However, the BPA argument is totally lacking. Also, the player/system is not really considered.

While the Texans have usually surprised me on draft day, if they go after Tyson Jackson simply because he's a DE, that would be stupid.

The Hags had some serious OG issues, but they aren't drafting Duke Robinson in the top 10.

I could go on about Javon Ringer and numerous other examples, but I won't.

It is difficult to go through 7 rounds, especially this early.

If I were to cherry pick this for the Texans, I'm drafting Aaron Curry At #15. Derrick Brooks, Ernie Sims, and Lance Briggs are pretty important in their 4-3 defenses.

This mock doesn't have Taylor Mays, D.J. Moore, or Jeremy Maclin as an option.

At #47 I'd have to take Greg Hardy, and he's not on this mock either. Neither is Sen'Derrick Marks.

At #79, I suppose I'll have to take Brandon Spikes and make him the SAM.

#111, Shonn Greene anyone?

I'll let them update their mock with the declaring Juniors and then pay it some attention.

barrett · #3 01-08-2009, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

This mock is ridiculous. I mock it. Like most mocks, it tries to consider the needs of the clubs. However, the BPA argument is totally lacking. Also, the player/system is not really considered.

While the Texans have usually surprised me on draft day, if they go after Tyson Jackson simply because he's a DE, that would be stupid.

The Hags had some serious OG issues, but they aren't drafting Duke Robinson in the top 10.

I could go on about Javon Ringer and numerous other examples, but I won't.

It is difficult to go through 7 rounds, especially this early.

If I were to cherry pick this for the Texans, I'm drafting Aaron Curry At #15. Derrick Brooks, Ernie Sims, and Lance Briggs are pretty important in their 4-3 defenses.

This mock doesn't have Taylor Mays, D.J. Moore, or Jeremy Maclin as an option.

At #47 I'd have to take Greg Hardy, and he's not on this mock either. Neither is Sen'Derrick Marks.

At #79, I suppose I'll have to take Brandon Spikes and make him the SAM.

#111, Shonn Greene anyone?

I'll let them update their mock with the declaring Juniors and then pay it some attention.

The starting OLBs for the top 5 4-3 Defenses.

#1 Philly, Akeem Jordan, Chris Gokong
#2 Washington, Rocky McIntosh, Marcus Washington
#3 NYG, Gerris Wilkison, Danny Clark
#4 Minnesota, Ben Leber, Chad Greenaway
#5 Keith Bullock, David Thornton

Hardly a who's who of playmakers, and to a man they are secondary pieces on their teams to the pass rushers who make their defenses go. The role of 4-3 OLB is just not very important. We have our MLB. Pass Rushers and Pass Defenders is what this defense needs.

Roy P · #4 01-08-2009, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

The starting OLBs for the top 5 4-3 Defenses.

#1 Philly, Akeem Jordan, Chris Gokong
#2 Washington, Rocky McIntosh, Marcus Washington
#3 NYG, Gerris Wilkison, Danny Clark
#4 Minnesota, Ben Leber, Chad Greenaway
#5 Keith Bullock, David Thornton

Hardly a who's who of playmakers, and to a man they are secondary pieces on their teams to the pass rushers who make their defenses go. The role of 4-3 OLB is just not very important. We have our MLB. Pass Rushers and Pass Defenders is what this defense needs.

None of the top 5 4-3 defenses were "Cover-2" schemes....hmm. Maybe that should tell us something.

Also, I wanted us to draft Gocong, McIntosh, Wilkinson, and Greenway when they were coming out. Why? Speed.

I would also add that Keith Bullock is among the who's who of playmakers. We sure could use him.

Bigtinylittle · #5 01-08-2009, 08:47 PM

It will be very interesting to see whether the new DC has a different philosophy from Richard Smith. If he does, we may be picking several players that fit that philosophy.

barrett · #6 01-08-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

None of the top 5 4-3 defenses were "Cover-2" schemes....hmm. Maybe that should tell us something.

Also, I wanted us to draft Gocong, McIntosh, Wilkinson, and Greenway when they were coming out. Why? Speed.

I would also add that Keith Bullock is among the who's who of playmakers. We sure could use him.

I agree that I don't want a cover 2. Also I agree it is great to have speed at OLB. I just don't think you pay a first round price, because it's extremely rare to get 1st round impact at that position. Plus I'm not ready to throw away last year's pick adibi. Maybe 2nd or 3rd if it's BPA. But I just don't see a 4-3 OLB having top half of the first round impact.

Roy P · #7 01-08-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by barrett

I agree that I don't want a cover 2. Also I agree it is great to have speed at OLB. I just don't think you pay a first round price, because it's extremely rare to get 1st round impact at that position. Plus I'm not ready to throw away last year's pick adibi. Maybe 2nd or 3rd if it's BPA. But I just don't see a 4-3 OLB having top half of the first round impact.

I'm ready to make Adibi a back up and ST player. He simply does not have the top end speed that I want at this level.

I'm not wanting to get an OLB with our first round pick either. It really depends upon who is available. My list of positions for a first round pick looks something like this....

LT
DE
CB
FS
WR
OLB
QB
DT
RB

Of course you have to look at team needs and the players who are on the board when you pick.

Just because I value DE more than CB doesn't mean that I'll be happy to draft Greg Hardy over Malcolm Jenkins.

sinnister · #8 01-09-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy P

I'm ready to make Adibi a back up and ST player. He simply does not have the top end speed that I want at this level.

I'm not wanting to get an OLB with our first round pick either. It really depends upon who is available. My list of positions for a first round pick looks something like this....

LT
DE
CB
FS
WR
OLB
QB
DT
RB

Of course you have to look at team needs and the players who are on the board when you pick.

Just because I value DE more than CB doesn't mean that I'll be happy to draft Greg Hardy over Malcolm Jenkins.

I would probably move the FS ahead of the CB, but I see the logic in having a great shutdown CB. Personally, if I have to pick one or the other, I would take a great FS.