Project the Depth

[painekiller]

QB - Schaub, Rosenfels, Gray
RB - Green, Brown, Taylor, Slaton
FB - Leach, Cook
TE - Daniels, Bruener, Dreessen
WR - Johnson, Walter, Davis, Jones, Jason Rivers
OL - Brown, Pitts, Myers, Briesel, Winston, Frye, Spencer, Eslinger, Salaam

DT - Okam, Okoye, Johnson, Maddox
DE - Williams, Weaver, Kalu, Cochran, Nading
LB - Ryans, Diles, Greenwood, Adibi, Bentley, Thompson, Moffit
CB - PUP Robinson, Bennett, Reeves, Molden, Fletcher
S - Brown, Demps, Harrison, Mitchell, Earl

[painekiller]

Starting OL? By mid season no injuries.

Brown, Frye, Myers, Briesel, Winston

Salaam, Pitts, Eslinger ,Spencer

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Starting OL? By mid season no injuries.

Brown, Frye, Myers, Briesel, Winston

You are pegging a complete overhaul. I don't see that much change in the line...

Brown, Pitts, Myers, Weary, Winston

[papabear]

PK-What about Abbate (sp?) He was one of the out of nowhere stars at training camp before the Texans hid him on injured reserve. I could see Cook getting the ax...I pretty much agree with you on this. Moffit and Nading might be destined for the practice squad though. I think there's a chance that Spencer ends up the starter at RG at some point.

[Mike]

Opening day - barring injuries starting 5:

Salaam, Pitts, Myers, Weary, Winston.

Back-ups, Brown, Spencer, Briesel, and Frye

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Vinny

You are pegging a complete overhaul. I don't see that much change in the line...

Brown, Pitts, Myers, Weary, Winston

I am trying to look at things from a different angle. Most team will not make wholesale changes and the line you offered maybe closer to the actual line.

I for one have questioned Pitts, he has mental errors at the wrong time. From what I understand, Gibbs will all but murder Pitts for the kind of mistakes. So that is why the look at Frye.

Weary is no what I see as the prototypical Gibbs type blocker. I am open to being wrong here because I like Fred. (I also like Chester, he seems to be a very good guy).

I think the only known starter is Winston. Myers most likely starts, but he could be moved to RG, with a super showing from Eslinger, IMO.

Which OL do want to see? I would love to Spencer starting at one of the positions, don't see him as a Gibbs guys, but I want to see the hard work rewarded. The young man has been through alot and has not given up, that is a good story.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by papabear

PK-What about Abbate (sp?) He was one of the out of nowhere stars at training camp before the Texans hid him on injured reserve. I could see Cook getting the ax...I pretty much agree with you on this. Moffit and Nading might be destined for the practice squad though. I think there's a chance that Spencer ends up the starter at RG at some point.

Abbate has already been cut once this off season, and then resigned. So I have him as a bubble guy. I thought he looked good in last years camp, he showed real good hands. Would love to see him replace Cook.

Moffit I see making the team, but could see Nading sliding to the practice squad.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Moffit I see making the team, but could see Nading sliding to the practice squad.

I know LB's are usually special team contributors, but on your list you have 7 LB's listed. I thought we carried 6 last year, and with one spot apparently already going to a 3rd QB I just don't know if they will want that many back-ups on a 4-3 team. Moffit seems like a special team candidate unless he plays well enough to make the staff feel like Bentley, Thompson, or Diles is expendable I think he gets caught in a numbers game. I don't see them ready to cut ties with Greenwood yet. If it works out like I think Adibi takes over next year at the WLB, making Greenwood expendable.


With Dunta pup'd I think your still stuck with Faggins or someone else until D-Rob comes back.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by papabear

I know LB's are usually special team contributors, but on your list you have 7 LB's listed. I thought we carried 6 last year, and with one spot apparently already going to a 3rd QB I just don't know if they will want that many back-ups on a 4-3 team. Moffit seems like a special team candidate unless he plays well enough to make the staff feel like Bentley, Thompson, or Diles is expendable I think he gets caught in a numbers game. I don't see them ready to cut ties with Greenwood yet. If it works out like I think Adibi takes over next year at the WLB, making Greenwood expendable.


With Dunta pup'd I think your still stuck with Faggins or someone else until D-Rob comes back.

I was not trying to figure out a final roster to the man. I think I have to many OL and LBs, but not as many DBs as we carried last year.

[lebowski]

Anyone heard anything about Charles Spencer's health? Is he ever going to be able to play again?

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by lebowski

Anyone heard anything about Charles Spencer's health? Is he ever going to be able to play again?

They have Kubiak saying on a video from the lunchen that Spencer is doing great and should be back with the team by June 1. He is currently doing running and drills with the training staff, along with Dunta and Chris White.

[Number19]

I'm interested in his weight and his muscle tone/strength. He was light on his feet prior to his injury, but if he's lost a little weight, as was reported a few months back, this will make him quicker and an even better fit for Gibb's system.

[Roy P]

Originally Posted by painekiller

QB - Schaub, Rosenfels, Gray
RB - Green, Brown, Taylor, Slaton
FB - Leach, Cook
TE - Daniels, Bruener, Dreessen
WR - Johnson, Walter, Davis, Jones, Jason Rivers
OL - Brown, Pitts, Myers, Briesel, Winston, Frye, Spencer, Eslinger, Salaam

DT - Okam, Okoye, Johnson, Maddox
DE - Williams, Weaver, Kalu, Cochran, Nading
LB - Ryans, Diles, Greenwood, Adibi, Bentley, Thompson, Moffit
CB - PUP Robinson, Bennett, Reeves, Molden, Fletcher
S - Brown, Demps, Harrison, Mitchell, Earl

QB - Schaub, Gray, Brink (Sage will get traded)
RB - Brown, Taylor, Slaton, Green (if not Cut)
FB - Leach, Cook
TE - Daniels, Bruener, Dreesen
WR - Johnson, Davis, Jones, Walter, Grice-Mullin (the other Hawii WR, right)
OL - Brown, Pitts, Myers, Weary, Winston, Frye, Spencer, Salaam, Eslinger

DT - Okoye, Okam, Johnson, Maddox
DE - Williams, Weaver, Kalu, Cochran (Nading to P.S.)
LB - Ryans, Greenwood, Thompson, Adibi, Moffitt, Bentley
CB - PUP Robinson, Bennett, Reeves, Molden, Fletcher, Wynn
S - Ferguson, Demps, Brown, Earl, Barber

[lebowski]

Originally Posted by painekiller

They have Kubiak saying on a video from the lunchen that Spencer is doing great and should be back with the team by June 1. He is currently doing running and drills with the training staff, along with Dunta and Chris White.

Thanks for the info. That's great news! (to me at least)

[dadmg]

Week 1:

QB - Schaub, Rosenfels, Gray
RB - Brown, Green, Slaton, Taylor (The more I look at this, the more I think Roy might be right about Green getting cut. I think that if we keep him and Brown we almost have to go 4 RB just because of their durability concerns. For now, though, I'll keep him on, although I would be shocked if he won the competition for starter.)
FB - Leach, Cook
TE - Daniels, Bruener, Dreesen
WR - Johnson, Davis, Jones, Walter, David Anderson
OL - Brown, Pitts, Myers, Weary, Winston (Backups T: Salaam, Frye; Backups G: Spencer, Frye; Backup C: Eslinger)
(My first instinct is that Brown might be too raw to expect to be an opening day starter, but Spencer was also considered plenty raw and he was an opening day starter. I think Kubiak will throw him to the wolves unless he's completely lost.)
DT - Okoye, Johnson, Maddox, Okam
DE - Williams, Weaver, Kalu, Cochran
LB - Ryans, Greenwood, Diles, Adibi, Thompson, Bentley
CB - (PUP Robinson), Bennett, Reeves, Fletcher, Molden, Faggins, Wynn
S - Ferguson, Demps, Brown, Harrison
LS - Bryan Pittman
K - Kris Brown
P - Matt Turk

PS - RB Walker, FB Abbate, QB Brink, S Barber, S B. Mitchell, G Studdard, LB Moffitt, DT DelJuan Robinson

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by dadmg

PS - RB Walker, FB Abbate, QB Brink, S Barber, S B. Mitchell, G Studdard, LB Moffitt, DT DelJuan Robinson

Are Walker and Studdard still eligible for the PS?

[Mike]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Are Walker and Studdard still eligible for the PS?

I do not think Darius would be eligible based on the number of snaps that he played last year.

I don't see Studdard as a fit for the ZBS, to me he seems more of a power mauler.

[Vinny]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Weary is no what I see as the prototypical Gibbs type blocker. I am open to being wrong here because I like Fred. (I also like Chester, he seems to be a very good guy).

Where in the heck did this perception about Weary come from? I'm starting to see it more and more from the pimp the back up crowd here in our little internet fan base. Fred has great feet and is real athletic for a big man. Weary is barely 300 pounds if trust the listings at the dotcom.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Vinny

Where in the heck did this perception about Weary come from? I'm starting to see it more and more from the pimp the back up crowd here in our little internet fan base. Fred has great feet and is real athletic for a big man. Weary is barely 300 pounds if trust the listings at the dotcom.

I guess I have always perceived Fred as a mauler type, and Chester has been considered the quick footed able to be pulled guy. Not used to seeing Fred pulling near as much.

And as I said, I hope my perception is wrong. I admit I spend little time watching Fred, more time watching the tackles, and the ball.

[Roy P]

I see Fred as a solid starter. In my estimation, he's better than Briesel ever thought about being. I did notice, however, that on short yardage running plays, we were more likely to pull Chester to the right in between Weary and Winston to take out the LB in the hole. If Weary could do that in the opposite direction, it would keep the defenses from guessing.

Generally, Fred would take on the NT along with the C leaving the other 3 OL to work one-on-one with the 3-Tech and the DEs. I'm hopeful that eventually Frye can be as good as Weary in the run game (especially under Gibbs' coaching) and because of his better feet can be better than Weary in pass protection. However, until that happens, having Weary as the starting RG makes the most sense.