Defense

[painekiller]

A few points to make .

Isn't it nice to have 2 real safeties in the game at the same time?

Mario had a throwaway quote that hit me.

“I came out at halftime, and I told (defensive line coach) Jethro (Franklin) instead of read and go, I was going and read, and I did,” Williams said. “It was an adrenalin rush. When I came to the bench, everybody was talking about it. That made me feel good.”

They are coaching the read 1st for the DL as we expected, and that is going against the strengths if this line. You draft penetrators and then ask them to read 1st? I say way to go Mario, just go then read. BTW if the rest of team tackled like Mario, Dunta and Demeco then we would not be having the coaches vs players debate.

Lastly, Do any of you think Kubiak will allow Richard Smith to run the more aggressive defense the rest of the season?

[mussop]

Originally Posted by painekiller

A few points to make .

Isn't it nice to have 2 real safeties in the game at the same time?

Mario had a throwaway quote that hit me.

They are coaching the read 1st for the DL as we expected, and that is going against the strengths if this line. You draft perpetrators and then ask them to read 1st? I say way to go Mario, just go then read. BTW if the rest of team tackled like Mario, Dunta and Demeco then we would not be having the coaches vs players debate.

Lastly, Do any of you think Kubiak will allow Richard Smith to run the more aggressive defense the rest of the season?

perpetrators? YOu mean penetrators right? It was nice to see a couple of blitzes thrown at Quin from different angles Sunday. Makes you wonder if Smith is still the one calling the plays on D.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by mussop

perpetrators? YOu mean penetrators right? It was nice to see a couple of blitzes thrown at Quin from different angles Sunday. Makes you wonder if Smith is still the one calling the plays on D.

dam I hate when I do no read the spell check. corrected

[Arky]

Originally Posted by mussop

perpetrators?

That would be Cincinnati, eheh.

I see the defense a little bit like building a hot rod. The mechanic(s) start off with the motor and build it up. Add one of these, add one of those. Tweak this, tweak that and then start it up. Rev it up and see if it's running right. Tweak some more. Fret about one thing, worry about another... Wonder if it will fail but you really won't know until you get it out on the track and open it up....

I think that's what happened yesterday. The defense finally opened it up, consequences be damned. If there is a breakdown, then hey, you fix it.... This particular jalopy just took a long time to get out of the garage... We'll see...

[KJ3]

Originally Posted by Arky

I think that's what happened yesterday. The defense finally opened it up, consequences be damned. If there is a breakdown, then hey, you fix it.... This particular jalopy just took a long time to get out of the garage... We'll see...

seriously though, how often is weaver (or ANY DE) going to get a pick? even when you send him back there 3 times a game? the only jalopy is the defensive philosophy. the most coverage a DE should ever get involved in is a flat zone to cover screens and such imo. blitzing is great though, i'm glad the texans have decided to play football.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by KJ3

seriously though, how often is weaver (or ANY DE) going to get a pick? even when you send him back there 3 times a game? the only jalopy is the defensive philosophy. the most coverage a DE should ever get involved in is a flat zone to cover screens and such imo. blitzing is great though, i'm glad the texans have decided to play football.

I was on the way back from Oklahoma, and haven't had a chance to watch the DVR yet. I did see the highlight of that pick, and I think they actually brought a blitz on that play. That would be the difference from all the other times we've dropped lineman into coverage this year. There was never a blitz in our zone blitz.

You can get away with it if you keep mixing things up....come from different angles. drop different guys into different places. If it was just a case of them sending another d lineman into coverage with a three man rush...then Smith just got lucky and that will probably validate that coverage in his mind and we will be stuck seeing it again...until he gets fired.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Lastly, Do any of you think Kubiak will allow Richard Smith to run the more aggressive defense the rest of the season?

Kubiak had his press conference and in it talked about the more aggressive play calling on defense and how he was glad with the results and how he ....

Pointing to another fact we thought to be true. Kubiak is the one holding this defense in conservative mode, he needs to let the players play to their strengths.

BTW if you want to hear Kubiak in his entirety then check it out on the official site, it is a good listen every week.

[papabear]

Originally Posted by painekiller

Pointing to another fact we thought to be true. Kubiak is the one holding this defense in conservative mode, he needs to let the players play to their strengths.

I've wondered about this too. This quote from Kubes bothered me:

"(on if the aggressive defense was because of an inexperienced quarterback or if it just worked better) “I think it’s probably a combination of both. Naturally, (when) you’re playing a quarterback like (QB) Peyton Manning, which we did two weeks ago, and you’re aggressive with him all day long, sooner or later, he can probably make you back for it big-time in some situations"

I understand that and even agree with it to some extent, but when your not doing anything but acting as a speed bump on the Colts way to the end zone you might as well turn it loose. Maybe he was just making excuses for his coach, I don't know.

I think Head coaches can tend to be conservative on the side of the ball they are less familar with, defense in the case of Kubiak. Maybe he doesn't have enough faith in his inexperienced coordinator. Maybe Smith told him I'm fighting for my job, you've got to let me loose. Maybe Kubiak will encourage more aggression now. I have no idea if Kubiak is the reason for the conservative defense, I just hope it gets sorted out.

[NBT]

This is why I have cooled considerably in my estimation of Kubiak as head coach. He is loyal to a fault with players best described as mediocre at best. His conservatism then bleeds over to how he lets Richard Smith design his defensive game plans. Yes, A Manning will eventually sting you with a long one. It is also true that he can be had if you put a good stiff rush on him. What would be best is to use different looks (conservative vs blitz) at certain strategic times, and sometimes just to upset the oppositions timing. Mess them up. Just do something different!

[kravix]

Im going to stick this here, there were other places or a new thread but this works too I think.

I am certain that the last 2 years when the defence started getting better towards the end of the year we have heard that they are making the scheme simpler and being more agressive. Every year they are better at the end of the year, and this is the reason we get. Year 1-- Well it was just too much to take in all at once so we made it simpler. Year 2-- With all the injuries and new players we needed to make it simpler. Year 3- We decided to make it more simple and be more aggressive.

This isnt Pitt or Baltimore. Our defence cannot be nearly that complicated, and evidently the only team it confuses is our own.

This is just something I have noticed and it bugs the hell out of me. Maybe Richard Smith needs to tear out the last half of his Defensive Coordinator for Dummies book and stick with the front portion.

[WMH]

I do not think it is a coincidence that our defense started performing better with the activating of Dunta or Adibi getting some PT.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by WMH

I do not think it is a coincidence that our defense started performing better with the activating of Dunta or Adibi getting some PT.

Adibi increased our team speed big time. This has made our blitzes far more effective and far more frequent.

Eugene Wilson doubles the rang of our safeties.

Dunta Robinson plays the slot great.

All of this has made our corners twice as good on outside coverage. Its all tied together.


Now if we could just get some solid DT play to keep Demeco and Adibi clean.

[NBT]

We could maybe do more criss crossing of the ends and tackles, but to do that the CBs have to have tight coverage on the receivers, or we could be giving up big chunks of yardage. But we at least need to try it more to see whether or not if it will work for us. Of course we have cut way down the last 3 games on the TDs (either running or passing) so maybe we just better leave it like it is.