Would you trade Watson for....

[nunusguy]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

* Houston trades Watson to Arizona for Kyler Murray, the #16 overall selection, plus their second-rounders in 2021 and 2022. Watson is reunited with D-Hop and his baby mamas out in the desert while Houston again resets with a younger QB plus three draft picks. If you're curious, the Cardinals already owe Houston their 4th this year in the D-Hop trade.

Personally, I prefer brittle Tua over The Midget but either one is the sort of draft haul we *should* have got for Hopkins and Watson certainly shouldn't complain about either destination.

For me personally Murray is the closet thing to Michael Vick I've ever seen and
would do that deal in a heartbeat but suspect Arizona isn't foolish enough to
agree to those terms.
As for Tua, definitely not interested.

[bikerack]

I saw some rumor somewhere about Watson to Miami for:

Tua
Xavien Howard
#3
#18

I would do that in a heartbeat...and flip #3 to a QB-needy team in the top 10 for their 1st, 2nd and maybe their 1st next year...just depends on what you can get.

Draft Patrick Surtain II with your top 10 pick and you now have 2 top young CBs. Draft best DL or OL available at #18. Draft a RB in the 2nd.

Then, with Tua, you become more run heavy while you finish rebuilding.

One can dream...

[HPF Bob]

If I got Tua, Howard and the #3, all else would be gravy. The rest would just be negotiated out.

The Oilers flat out don't have the talent right now to be contenders so why not shop the last remaining valuable commodity you have and rebuild?

Tua struggled as a rookie but he didn't look bad for a guy who had no training camp. Howard is true value and if the #3 can't be traded down, we can take Davonta Smith and have the equivalent of Andre Johnson II.

[barrett]

You win in the NFL by...

Having the best QB.
Having the QB playing the best at that moment.
Having a roster so good that you make up for your QB.

These deals don't come close to accomplishing any of these. Our roster is not getting fixed by a Watson trade. We are about 15 players away from being the 2014 Seahawks. A few extra picks and Tua won't turn us into the loaded teams that win despite their QB. It will just turn us into the Jags or any of the other teams who have top draft picks every year but no QB.

Which team has traded away a great young QB and then won in the short, medium, or long term after the deal? It's idiotic. He's got four years on his deal and no way out. You hire a coach, take advantage of your last place schedule and hope a year from now he's happy. If he's not you hope he is a year after that. Maybe you consider a deal in 2023 if he's still not. But you don't give away the prime of a great QB because you could get a couple of draft picks to fix your defensive backfield.

[bikerack]

Originally Posted by barrett

You win in the NFL by...

Having the best QB.
Having the QB playing the best at that moment.
Having a roster so good that you make up for your QB.

These deals don't come close to accomplishing any of these. Our roster is not getting fixed by a Watson trade. We are about 15 players away from being the 2014 Seahawks. A few extra picks and Tua won't turn us into the loaded teams that win despite their QB. It will just turn us into the Jags or any of the other teams who have top draft picks every year but no QB.

Which team has traded away a great young QB and then won in the short, medium, or long term after the deal? It's idiotic. He's got four years on his deal and no way out. You hire a coach, take advantage of your last place schedule and hope a year from now he's happy. If he's not you hope he is a year after that. Maybe you consider a deal in 2023 if he's still not. But you don't give away the prime of a great QB because you could get a couple of draft picks to fix your defensive backfield.

And what if he says "screw it, I am sitting out all season"?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by bikerack

And what if he says "screw it, I am sitting out all season"?

I call his bluff. There is zero chance he does it. If he somehow sat a game, then the same deals are there in September/October/November/December/next offseason. There is no way I let a guy with 3 years left dictate his exit. I interview and hire the coach he wants, I resign Fuller to make him happy, and I start whatever comes next with him at the center of it.

The problem appears to be that Deshaun Watson has a problem with Jack Easterby. There is no way the solution to that problem is to figure out what we can get from the Dolphins. The fact anyone entertains that idea is a sign of stockholm syndrome. That should be absolutely unacceptable from our fan base.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by barrett

The problem appears to be that Deshaun Watson has a problem with Jack Easterby.

You’ve probably seen the quote from someone close to the team that says in effect that Cal’s firing Easterby wouldn’t really move the needle, that Cal would have to fire Cal.

This is a total shitshow beyond anything I have ever fantasized about. When they fired BOB I thought the team would inevitably redirect into an upward trajectory of some sort. Obviously I was wrong.