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02-20-2018, 12:12 PM
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Clowney is a different kind of player than Ryans & Cushing because he's an edge guy as both a 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB. But for best pure 4-3 backer it's DeMeco. 
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02-20-2018, 02:24 PM
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I take Cushing over Ryans all day. Demeco was a tackling machine, but rarely made impact plays. He could usually be found tackling a ball carrier a few yards downfield. Cushing had way more impact plays and averaged more sacks, INTs, and TFLs during his time, and far more during the respective peaks. Additionally, Cushing was a key part to far better teams and defenses.
Overall Demeco was healthier, a better tackler, and was better at play recognition. But he couldn't take on blocks, was far worse in coverage, made far fewer impact plays, and was way less physical. Even though Demeco's peak was in Houston, he actually set career highs for INTs and Sacks in Philly. In Houston he was a low impact volume tackler. Jamie Sharper actually compares favorably to Demeco and played on better defenses. If Clowney keeps it up he surpasses them all.
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02-21-2018, 08:35 AM
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If you take a look you will see their stats are pretty close (for example same for sacks), while DeMeco is way ahead in tackling but then you said he was a tackling machine which is about the highest comp one can pay a linebacker.
Cushing had more "impact plays" so unlike stats that's very subjective whatever that means ? JD Clowney is an entirely different football player and different category of player than DeMeco & Cushing. Would we compare the careers of Cushing & DeMeco to Mario Williams ? No because we know that's apple an oranges. Now Clowney and Williams are comparable, comparable categories.
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#4
02-21-2018, 10:26 AM
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Cushing's pre-injury 3 season peak in Houston is 2009-2011. He plays 44 out of 48 games and has 9.5 sacks and 6 INTs. That's a sack every 5 games and an INT every 7.
Demeco's peak in Houston is 2006-2009. He plays 64 of 64 games and has 7.5 sacks and 2 INTs. That's a sack every 9 games and an INT every 32. That's what I mean by more impact plays. Demeco was healthier and a better tackler, but they were low impact tackles. He was a guy who made tackles a few yards downfield. If the DL didn't keep the OL off of him he was awful at shedding blocks because he was undersized and not very physical. He was a smart and instinctive player who played above his physical talents and was a ton of fun to root for, but he wasn't a high impact player in Houston. He had a bigger impact in Philly so maybe it had something to do with how he was used in Houston. Cushing didn't have the tackling numbers. Instead of diagnosing plays he flew to the ball which worked well in Wade's defense. He was super physical and owned the point of attack. He was very good in coverage his first 3 years which is rare for a big, point of attack MLB. He couldn't stay healthy and because of that had a career that is more about peak than longevity. And like I said, Sharper is right there with both guys statistically and was a part of some solid defenses.
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#5
02-21-2018, 01:03 PM
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OK maybe Cushing in a stretch, of 2 - 3 years was better, but if we are gonna talk career vs career then DeMeco is the man. Oh and as long as you are qualifying the results here's my question ? How much would we want to discount Cushings stats and performance in general without the PEDs ?
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#6
02-21-2018, 02:20 PM
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Player A 125 Tackles 3.5 Sacks 1 INT 1 FF, 99/2/1/1, 86/1/0/2, 93/1/0/1 Player B 95/5.5/0/0, 105/4/0/3, 96/2/0/3 Player C 86/4/4/2, 53/1.5/0/1, 81/4/2/2 Tell me the player that doesn't belong on that list. All 3 are comparable and you aren't remembering how good Sharper was on some very solid defenses that get dismissed because the expansion offenses were so inept. As for longevity or career vs career, Demeco played 6 years and 86 games for the Texans. Years 5 and 6 were shells of years 1-4. Cushing played 9 years and 104 games with the Texans. Years 4-9 were injury plagued and not nearly as good as years 1-3, but they were still better than the Demeco 34 years (2010-2011). Overall career numbers are Demeco 479 tackles, 8.5 sacks, 2 INTs, 6 FF Cushing 428 tackles, 13.5 sacks, 8 INT, 9 FF Whether you are talking peak or career, Cushing is the best Texans MLB and probably the best Texans LB until Clowney plays another season or two. If you want to disqualify Cushing for the PED test I have no problem with that. I won't guess who is clean in the NFL with no offseason testing, so I assume they all are. But I'm truly ok if you want to assume they are clean without evidence to the contrary.
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#7
02-21-2018, 04:07 PM
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I don't know where you are digging up your numbers ?
Wiki shows 939 total/combined tackles for DeMeco and 664 for Cushing while each has 13.5 sacks. After your imagination we've only got the record for PEDs and one guy has never been busted but the other was busted twice. FYI Cushing is a couple years younger so he might increase his totals if he continues to play so maybe get back to me then if his totals are more impressive later.
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