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Old 10-30-2017, 03:43 AM
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The kneeling was weird to me. I don't get protesting the anthem to protest your boss.
That's easy - McNair made it plain that he did not want his players kneeling or sitting, and up until this week they hadn't. But once he went full idiot, kneeling was the tidiest, simplest way for the players to let McNair know that they were protesting HIM and his comments and his attitudes.

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Protesting the anthem is already a stretch to protest local police forces...
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on this but to me it is no stretch at all. Citizens of the United States are meant to receive equal protection under the law. It's in the constitution. It's really not all that ambiguous. It is clear that not everyone receives equal protection under the law, and if someone wants to protest this, making a peaceful protest during the national anthem strikes me as the perfect time to do so, especially if they asume a posture of supplication or submission such as kneeling.
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Old 10-30-2017, 08:26 AM
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That's easy - McNair made it plain that he did not want his players kneeling or sitting, and up until this week they hadn't. But once he went full idiot, kneeling was the tidiest, simplest way for the players to let McNair know that they were protesting HIM and his comments and his attitudes.



I'm not trying to change anyone's mind on this but to me it is no stretch at all. Citizens of the United States are meant to receive equal protection under the law. It's in the constitution. It's really not all that ambiguous. It is clear that not everyone receives equal protection under the law, and if someone wants to protest this, making a peaceful protest during the national anthem strikes me as the perfect time to do so, especially if they asume a posture of supplication or submission such as kneeling.
But the federal government is huge and nameless and faceless. When the anthem protests started the federal government was actively working against local police corruption through the civil rights department, the FBI, and the justice department led by the AG. The federal government is the one who comes in and tries to make it right when local cops violate civil rights and local and state prosecutors allow them to. The federal government is the least racist arm of the government by a mile. The problem with police is shameful but absolutely not a federal problem. The anthem protest was chosen by a guy who beyond doubt is anti-america.

Then this year Trump goes after the players and it goes from 5 guys to 100 protesting, and they all just adopt the anthem as their protest. They aren't even protesting police treatment at this point, they are protesting Donald Trump. They would have been smart to adopt a different protest that was specific to him and would have rallied widespread support compared to an anthem protest. The anthem protest obviously gets fake patriots angry, but they would get angry no matter what form of protest black men chose. But there are also lots of real patriots and military veterans who would be natural allies to a protest that didn't take place during the anthem. It would have been smart to choose such a protest.
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Old 10-30-2017, 11:23 AM
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I can agree fully or in part with just about everything you say. I'll just add that for me and possibly for some of the protesting players, too, the flag is not symbolic of the federal government but of the entirety of the nation. I see players kneeling not as individuals saying FU Trump or FU McNair or FU police or FU Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeals (?), rather I see a united, positive-minded group of concerned citizens taking a submissive posture to urge that we collectively work to make our society better.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:53 PM
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I can agree fully or in part with just about everything you say. I'll just add that for me and possibly for some of the protesting players, too, the flag is not symbolic of the federal government but of the entirety of the nation. I see players kneeling not as individuals saying FU Trump or FU McNair or FU police or FU Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeals (?), rather I see a united, positive-minded group of concerned citizens taking a submissive posture to urge that we collectively work to make our society better.
I agree almost all of the protesters see it that way. And I think to many it doesn't matter how perfectly they position their protest, they will still attack the protest because they like their black athletes silent. And I think those who protest are under no obligation to make their protest more palatable to those who disagree.

But I think enough potential allies are turned off by the flag element that a different form of protest would be more effective going forward. And it would expose the hypocrisy of those who claim they only want to protect the flag.
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