Official 2017 NFL Draft - Round 1 Thread

[Keith]

Originally Posted by chuck

Watson played in a one-look offense. He didn't read the defense and then stand there and scan the field. He had the place he was going to go and there he went.

I'm not sure what college doesn't do this crap anymore. Seems like you are waiting for an ideal that does not exist.

A difference in opinion, but I'd prefer the team do what they did (specifically, jettison Osweiler and invest in a good rookie while Savage babysits) than punt the problem ANOTHER year and go with Cutler/Kaepernick/Godknowswhat.

Is it a gamble? Hell yes. But your alternative is none better in 2017 (wait, unless you think Cutler is a Super Bowl QB) and only makes 2018 seem like another lost year. 2018 may still be lost if Watson doesn't make the transition, but at least there is hope in the meantime.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by Keith

I'm not sure what college doesn't do this crap anymore. Seems like you are waiting for an ideal that does not exist.

That's probably true. I don't watch nearly as much college football as most of you likely do, and if the number of schools running bs offenses has risen from some to virtually all of them, well, I guess I'm reminded of one reason I don't watch a lot of college football.

I never, ever, advocated keeping BO on the team next year, by the way. I wanted to cut him as soon as financially prudent and eat the twenty million or whatever it was to get his ass off the team and away from the building. I'm still puzzled at the FO's sending the Browns a valuable pick to clear cap space that they apparently aren't planning to use this year. (Yes, I know it carries over to next year but I'd kind of like to win now rather than at some vague point in an imaginary future.)

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

That's probably true. I don't watch nearly as much college football as most of you likely do, and if the number of schools running bs offenses has risen from some to virtually all of them, well, I guess I'm reminded of one reason I don't watch a lot of college football.

Yes, it is most. Like I said, even Nick Saban gave in. College football now looks like Friday night in Texas with bigger faster athletes. The overall talent is still low enough and disparate enough that putting your best athlete in space near the LOS is more reliable than trying to connect on a timing route downfield. Plus you don't have to worry about the long term health of your QB in college. So the few teams that resemble a pro style offense are the exception not the norm, and most of them aren't good enough to have a top talent at QB anyways.

Originally Posted by chuck

I never, ever, advocated keeping BO on the team next year, by the way. I wanted to cut him as soon as financially prudent and eat the twenty million or whatever it was to get his ass off the team and away from the building. I'm still puzzled at the FO's sending the Browns a valuable pick to clear cap space that they apparently aren't planning to use this year. (Yes, I know it carries over to next year but I'd kind of like to win now rather than at some vague point in an imaginary future.)

This makes more sense. I agree the trade to CLE looks weird without the accompanying financial moves that trade should have allowed. I am assuming a deal for Hopkins is a big part of that.

[chuck]

I basically quit watching college football right around the time the zone read came into fashion. Another thing I love is the line up and pretend to run a play and then step back and wait for some asshole in a visor to signal in the call.

If that ever seeps its way into the NFL, well, you guys won't have me to kick around anymore.

Christ, reading back over this I sound like my grandfather. Minus the segregationist tendencies.

[barrett]

Originally Posted by chuck

I basically quit watching college football right around the time the zone read came into fashion. Another thing I love is the line up and pretend to run a play and then step back and wait for some asshole in a visor to signal in the call.

If that ever seeps its way into the NFL, well, you guys won't have me to kick around anymore.

Christ, reading back over this I sound like my grandfather. Minus the segregationist tendencies.

What cracks me up is the teams that rush up to the line like that are usually bad at running the actual hurry up. All they know how to do is run to the line and stare at the sideline.

[Warren]

The stricter practice and meeting time limits in college definitely make a difference. When Mike Sherman moved from the Texans to A&M he talked about that being the biggest adjustment that he had to make. After his first season he consulted with one of the top Texas high school spread coaches (I think it was Chad Morris, then of Lake Travis, later Clemson (where he recruited Watson), and now SMU) about how to make his pro system easier to communicate and digest for the college game.

Here's a story about what went into the Texans' pick of Watson. Nothing groundbreaking, although I was mildly surprised to read, given The deBrockle, that O'Brien wasn't at the team's dinner with Watson during his pre-draft visit to Houston. He may have spent the rest of the day with him, though.

[painekiller]

Originally Posted by Warren

Here's a story about what went into the Texans' pick of Watson. Nothing groundbreaking, although I was mildly surprised to read, given The deBrockle, that O'Brien wasn't at the team's dinner with Watson during his pre-draft visit to Houston. He may have spent the rest of the day with him, though.

O'Brien was with Watson all day, he only left when he left to go to his son's little league game. Which IMO is OK.