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[HPF Bob]

What was so bad about Weeden? All he did was win when we gave him a chance. I don't think we are finding our QBTF this year. We're just looking for someone to give us a fair shot in the postseason.

[chuck]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

What was so bad about Weeden? All he did was win when we gave him a chance. I don't think we are finding our QBTF this year. We're just looking for someone to give us a fair shot in the postseason.

The Texans would have won the Super Bowl last year with average quarterback play. Who is average? Savage? Weeden? Cutler? I don't know, but the team sure as hell needs to find one, quick.

If they somehow found a quarterback that could win games for you? Well, I have no idea what that would be like.

[Arky]

They were making the point yesterday on the radio yesterday that we Texan fans seem to look at the drafts in a vacuum - and we do. Compare the Texans recent drafts to any other team.....nobody has perfect drafts.

True, not too many QB's drafted in the last 10 years but you have Senor Schaub taking up about 7 of those years. He wasn't losing his starters job especially with Kubes in command. Following that era, you got OB trying to convince us that Fitz/Hoyer/Mallett, et al were good QB's. So, post-Schaub, they've tried to fill the position - they're just not very good at it.... All this culminated with the Oz mistake - heavily paying for a guy who was unable to dink & dunk.

So, while we're all honing our critiques, how would YOU fix the QB position?

Draft? A young guy will most likely will need a year or two to develop.... Romo? Kinda broken...
Savage?

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

They were making the point yesterday on the radio yesterday that we Texan fans seem to look at the drafts in a vacuum - and we do. Compare the Texans recent drafts to any other team.....nobody has perfect drafts.

True, not too many QB's drafted in the last 10 years but you have Senor Schaub taking up about 7 of those years. He wasn't losing his starters job especially with Kubes in command. Following that era, you got OB trying to convince us that Fitz/Hoyer/Mallett, et al were good QB's. So, post-Schaub, they've tried to fill the position - they're just not very good at it.... All this culminated with the Oz mistake - heavily paying for a guy who was unable to dink & dunk.

So, while we're all honing our critiques, how would YOU fix the QB position?

Draft? A young guy will most likely will need a year or two to develop.... Romo? Kinda broken...
Savage?

Yes we had Schaub. And the patriots had TOM BRADY and kept drafting QBs. That was my point. It's almost like a GM ought to consider more than just the current year. You don't not draft a rookie because he will take a year to develop. You draft a rookie now BECAUSE he will take a year or two to develop.

It's embarrassing we're this bad at QB. It's more embarrassing how little we've done to try fixing that.

So what would I do? I'd draft a QB on the first 2 days of the draft every year until I had one that could win a super bowl for me. Then after I had that one, I'd still draft one every other year or 3, because decent backup QBs cost tons of money on the market but are cheap to draft. I guess I'd consider copying the team that beats the rest of the league every year.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

Yes we had Schaub. And the patriots had TOM BRADY and kept drafting QBs. That was my point. It's almost like a GM ought to consider more than just the current year. You don't not draft a rookie because he will take a year to develop. You draft a rookie now BECAUSE he will take a year or two to develop.

Ya, all those drafted Patriot QB's and how much game time did they see? Cassel got some time one year during a Brady injury, that's about it. "2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, and 7th on 5 QBs". At least they had good seats to watch the GOAT. I'm guessing during the Schaub era, the Texans figured other areas of the team needed attention....

Besides Garapollo, not too many people are coveting back-up Patriot QB's. Well, except for the Texans... Cassel/Hoyer/Mallett, meh..

It's embarrassing we're this bad at QB. It's more embarrassing how little we've done to try fixing that.

I'm not embarrassed. That's their ****-up, not mine.

So what would I do? I'd draft a QB on the first 2 days of the draft every year until I had one that could win a super bowl for me. Then after I had that one, I'd still draft one every other year or 3, because decent backup QBs cost tons of money on the market but are cheap to draft.

That may or may not work. Worst case, you turn into Cleveland. Best case, you find one - possibly a gem like Dak Prescott (who I will be very interested to watch in his sophomore season).... They really should draft one this year. Just hope whoever he is can see some action before the defense goes into a down-cycle...

I guess I'd consider copying the team that beats the rest of the league every year.

Well, we are New England South afterall. All we lack is the GOAT coach and the GOAT QB....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by Arky

Ya, all those drafted Patriot QB's and how much game time did they see? Cassel got some time one year during a Brady injury, that's about it. "2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, and 7th on 5 QBs". At least they had good seats to watch the GOAT. I'm guessing during the Schaub era, the Texans figured other areas of the team needed attention.

In 2015 New England probably had the best team but they stumbled late, blew home field, and couldn't go on the road and win at Denver in the playoffs.

This year they played 4 games without Brady and two of those drafted QBs won games in a 3-1 start (Brissett crushed us). If they go 0-4 with a veteran castoff at QB they don't get home field and their odds of winning the superbowl plummet.

But forget those wins. The main point is that you hope you never need your backup QB, but as a GM you think moves ahead. You don't just look at this year's roster. You don't just look at your starting QB. You have backup plans for your backup plans. You don't plan for your GOAT QB to play at this level until he's 40, but you're happy when your plan to replace him at 38 turns out to be unneeded.

The bottom line is a competent team never gets caught out at QB. They never don't know who's supposed to take snaps next year and the year after. They don't try to fill gaps at QB like you do at CB with guys off the street.

There are maybe 20 guys in the world who can play NFL QB, and you treat the position like that. You don't try to hide a guy there like you might hide your 4th CB.

It's a QB league. If you have one you have a chance, if you don't, you're wasting time. I wish we'd stop wasting time.

[Arky]

Originally Posted by barrett

In 2015 New England probably had the best team but they stumbled late, blew home field, and couldn't go on the road and win at Denver in the playoffs.

This year they played 4 games without Brady and two of those drafted QBs won games in a 3-1 start (Brissett crushed us). If they go 0-4 with a veteran castoff at QB they don't get home field and their odds of winning the superbowl plummet.

But forget those wins. The main point is that you hope you never need your backup QB, but as a GM you think moves ahead. You don't just look at this year's roster. You don't just look at your starting QB. You have backup plans for your backup plans. You don't plan for your GOAT QB to play at this level until he's 40, but you're happy when your plan to replace him at 38 turns out to be unneeded.

The bottom line is a competent team never gets caught out at QB. They never don't know who's supposed to take snaps next year and the year after. They don't try to fill gaps at QB like you do at CB with guys off the street.

There are maybe 20 guys in the world who can play NFL QB, and you treat the position like that. You don't try to hide a guy there like you might hide your 4th CB.

It's a QB league. If you have one you have a chance, if you don't, you're wasting time. I wish we'd stop wasting time.

I got your point a long time ago. Yep, the Texans have neglected the QB position via the draft.

You want Brissett? I don't.

I can defend them during the Schaub era. We had TJ Yates for most of that time. TJ was serviceable when Schaub had health problems.

But then Schaub and Kubes were both gone. Enter OB. We get Fitz and maybe OB is a little reluctant to take Garoppolo @ 2.1 that year. First gig, first draft, maybe he doesn't want to get himself tied to Jimmy Garoppolo (who was a total unknown at that point - small school guys sometimes don't get the NFL). The following year, a lot of us had high hopes for Mallett while Hoyer was OB's choice (the Hard Knocks year). And then we got Brock last year.

So, I understand why they did what they did. In each instance, the QB "problem" was thought to be solved. But there really is no excuse for not drafting a high round QB over the last 3 years.... A lot of us liked Prescott last year but they had just signed Brock. Hindsight now says they shoulda pulled the trigger....

[barrett]

Originally Posted by HPF Bob

What was so bad about Weeden? All he did was win when we gave him a chance. I don't think we are finding our QBTF this year. We're just looking for someone to give us a fair shot in the postseason.

That is how bad franchises operate. "Why bother with a QB when we might get a guy off the scrap heap to be average?"

That is how you end up bad at QB for a decade instead of a season.